Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
DomA Send a noteboard - 05/06/2010 11:05:50 PM
Or maybe not even that. The Pattern could simply have introduced a mutation into Rand's genetic code to allow him to channel because it needed him to do so. His biological parents need not have had the genes to handle to OP at all. Yes, that would be a remarkable coincidence, but since we're dealing with fantasy, it's a possibilty that shouldn't necessarily be discounted.
Yes, but that's also very unlikely as this isn't the working of the Wheel as depicted in the series (nor as Jordan implied it works), and Jordan was the sort of worldbuilder who felt he needed strict rules for pretty much everything (Brandon is the same, he loves the challenge of making up a lot of rules and then force himself to stick to them. He finds his creativity is motivated by this, as he's forced to find ways to make happen what he'd like to happen in the story). So, the Wheel weaves toward certain things, make different threads cross one another to achieve what it needs, over many generations. It introduces macro "rules" rather than micro manage things through "miracles". It can't twist things so Rand becomes simply invulnerable to the True Power etc. It won't create Heroes, it chooses to make heroes out of worthy souls, with characteristics it can used. Or, for example Min isn't unique, the Wheel has rather re introduced the possibility the Talent, and wove things so Min has it. It's the same for Perrin. The Wheel has not magically made him a wolfbrother, it re introduced the Talent into humanity and wove the Pattern so Perrin has whatever it takes to become one.
It did not choose Tam al'Thor and the Two Rivers at random (that he would raise among "the old blood" has been prophecized millenia ago), the whole ancestry of Rand, Mat and Perrin has been many generations in preparation. You might even say that the History of the area has been shaped so the old blood remained true there, in preparation for the last battle and Rand, Perrin, Mat, Egwene, Nynaeve etc.
That's why we can pretty much assume that Rand's genetic baggage has been shaped through many generations, rather than introduced "magically" by the Wheel when Rand was ready to be conceived.
Jordan has explained channellling is a combination of characteristics of the soul and genetics (he even decided what sort of genes were required). It's part of his "rules", so it's pretty safe to assume the channelling abilities of the characters all stick to these rules.
Years ago, someone with some knowledge of genetics has calculated probabilities for the characters we know the ancestry of. IIRC, Galad was an unknown, because of Morgase (who could learn) and Tigraine (who couldn't), which left us in the dark about Taringail's genetics. Some have speculated Jordan made Moiraine the half-sister of Taringail instead of his sister on purpose top stick to his rules, so the Taringail-Morgase union produced channellers who can learn, Janduin-Tigraine produced a powerful sparker, but Taringail-Tigraine produced a non-channeller, because he didn't want Galad to have the ability.
I'll be very surprised if it's revealed Galad can learn, as surprised as I would that Gawyn can't learn (though I'm not convinced this will be used in the series. Maybe... if he's to marry Egwene, she might ask him if he would be tested and agree to learn if he has the ability. There's not much point in going through all the various pains of a channeller/non-channeler marriage, watching him grow old and weak while herself stays in her prime, and for him to watch himself diminish physically and mentally and feel more and more inadequate for her as he grows old, if he can live as long as Egwene. There's not much point for Egwene either to hesitate to have children - as virtually all AS do, fearing the pains of having to watch them die, then her grandchildren, and her grandgrandchildren etc. if marrying Gawyn has 100% chances of producing children with the ability. So I think before the end, if the relationship goes on, when it's widely known saidin is cleansed, and especially in the case that male channellers reunite with their sisters, Gawyn might end up asking to be tested.)
I don't really see the point/interest of making Galad a channeller, however. That's pretty much a non-issue with him. He's a WC, but he doesn't hate or fear channellers. He doesn't want to have no purpose in life, so if he had the ability, he'd insist on learning in order to serve with his skills. Gawyn, it's less certain. I don't think it would be as easy/automatic for him to cope with the fact he has the ability.
This message last edited by DomA on 05/06/2010 at 11:09:13 PM
Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 02:36:20 AM
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It is just describing what a person goes through in a heightened sensory mode. He can't channel. *NM*
05/06/2010 02:49:39 AM
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Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 03:17:56 AM
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He cannot. This passage is similar to one in New Spring
05/06/2010 03:36:19 AM
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Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 05:45:49 AM
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Re: Is there anyone who *doesn't* think Galad can channel?
05/06/2010 11:05:50 PM
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uh, me. and thousands of others. it's called the void, which tam can do. *NM*
05/06/2010 07:09:52 AM
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Wait?? Tam must have some channeling genes since Rand is his son.... *NM*
05/06/2010 06:21:40 PM
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On the fence
05/06/2010 12:44:45 PM
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Re: On the fence
06/06/2010 02:22:35 AM
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Re: On the fence
06/06/2010 03:27:54 AM
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They still see channelers as Dark Friends.
10/06/2010 03:51:44 PM
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More likely they'd do what the Seanchan would when/if Tuon Channels
13/06/2010 12:21:12 PM
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As you pointed out
13/06/2010 02:08:34 PM
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Only for the short term
13/06/2010 02:48:54 PM
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. Nothing is completely static.
13/06/2010 05:41:59 PM
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right, cause in a few months they are going to change more tahn 1000 years of doctrine *NM*
13/06/2010 10:32:56 PM
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Yes. Exactly. In three days two Aiel clans ended a blood feud.
14/06/2010 03:14:42 AM
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None of these situations is really the same
14/06/2010 03:18:59 PM
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Re: None of these situations is really the same
14/06/2010 03:38:42 PM
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I think you are overstating the situations below
14/06/2010 06:02:12 PM
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Nonesense. The Sul'Dam hadn't started channeling.
14/06/2010 07:26:12 PM
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The sul'dam who have realized what they are know it's just a matter of time
14/06/2010 07:50:52 PM
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As sul'Dam they need to be taught to channel.
14/06/2010 10:38:33 PM
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hello, Seta and Bethamin took the leap on their own. sul'dam are right at the edge
15/06/2010 01:48:25 AM
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