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Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day Datakim Send a noteboard - 04/06/2010 07:19:36 PM

That is an interesting thought. I don't know if it has even been stated if someone with the spark can be tought to use the power before it starts to manifest naturally. I would think this would have been mentioned beforehand if it was possible, as it probably would have led the Seanchan to realize that Sul'dam can channel. It is clearly stated (not including the possibility that the some of the Seanchan high elite might know) that this was a very new and startling revelation to those who learned this. I really don't think this is going to happen, or we probably would have seen evidence of it before now.


I am pretty sure that Egwene had the spark but was shown how to channel by Moiraine, and as such she avoided the negative consequences of trying to master the power on her own. Such as the sickness and other problems Rand had in the first book.

However the sul'dam situation is a bit different in that the sul'dam does not need to be a fullblown channeler in order to use the a'dam. All that is required is that the she is capable of being part of the link that the a'dam forms.

There is a quote in the books where it is said that even sul'dam continue to be tested to see if the collar will hold them. I would expect that if a sul'dam had never been found that could be held by the collar the testing would be discontinued for sul'dam (which is not the case).

A sparker being first a sul'dam and then a damane would require for the connection to OP to develop in two stages. First enough to be a sul'dam and capable of linking but no more, and then later enough for the collar to hold her. Not sure if that is actually possible. The sul'dam that started off that way and later were caught by the collar could simply be those learners who worked hard and learned just enough prior to the 25th test to be held.



*SNIP*

I can only speculate about the food production levels of the Seanchan Empire, but given what seems to be a much higher level of organization and the greater stability that they enjoy, I would think that they could easily have been near the thresh-hold that any society would reach prior to
the industrial revolution. The Ming Empire in the mid 17th century had an estimated population of 150 million and that was pre-industrial revolution, so Seanchan could potentially be comparable in size.

Also, the Seanchan's considerable organization would very likely allow for a much more comprehensive collection of channelers when compared to the Aes Sedai's and Ashaman's haphazard recruitment strategies. Even if Seanchan didn't have a massively larger population than Randland this would still probably go a long way towards equalizing out the gap created by not recruiting learners. Finding a few random farmers or innkeepers while stopping by a village is worlds away from systematically testing every single person in your realm for the ability to channel.


You are right.

Lets consider.
150 million Seanchan alltogether.
lets say 1% of those are potential channelers (I found this number by RJ)

Lets say 1% of THOSE are sparkers (did not find this, guessed)

That would mean that out of those 150 million, 15000 would be damane. In comparison to total population, that is not all that much to be honest. It is likely very rare for damane to be discovered.

On the other hand it is a massive number compared to the numbers of current AS and Asha'man, especially when we remember the extended lifespan of channelers. Rand should be thanking Semirhage, since if not for her actions, Tuon could likely have used traveling to acquire massive numbers of sul'dam&damane as reinforcements and utterly crushed everyone as a result.
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Seanchan girls. Do they live in terror until 25? - 02/06/2010 12:32:14 AM 1409 Views
It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day - 02/06/2010 01:06:32 AM 798 Views
Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day - 02/06/2010 01:50:49 AM 798 Views
Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day - 02/06/2010 05:53:14 AM 785 Views
Re: It's a huge honor to be a sul'dam, and they test for that on the same day - 04/06/2010 07:19:36 PM 620 Views
A few details to consider - 02/06/2010 01:11:12 AM 796 Views
Re: A few details to consider - 02/06/2010 02:31:08 AM 807 Views
Wasn't talking about breeding damane - 03/06/2010 03:32:44 AM 801 Views
Re: Wasn't talking about breeding damane - 04/06/2010 07:30:55 PM 662 Views
Well, it took centuries for most people to understand breeding/genetics - 02/06/2010 08:57:43 PM 626 Views
Nobody knows about Sul'dam because it takes them extra long to learn. - 03/06/2010 07:58:41 AM 928 Views
Re: A few details to consider - 04/06/2010 07:33:39 AM 657 Views
I think it's seen as something that happens to other people. - 02/06/2010 02:20:09 AM 668 Views
I think they retest only the sul'dam - 02/06/2010 04:13:55 AM 837 Views
Re: I think they retest only the sul'dam - 04/06/2010 07:55:56 PM 633 Views
Point on the testing - 08/06/2010 02:15:26 AM 605 Views
Re: Point on the testing - 08/06/2010 02:46:06 PM 672 Views
Remember, Seancean have no idea channeling can be "learned" - 02/06/2010 07:04:11 AM 729 Views
This is how Damane and Sul'Dam are determined, straight from tGH - 03/06/2010 08:14:03 AM 1029 Views
That doesn't make sense. Are you sure they don't put the BRACELET on the girls, not the collar? - 04/06/2010 01:35:08 AM 623 Views
I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 03:09:08 AM 689 Views
Re: I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 11:54:25 AM 569 Views
Thanks Darius *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:48:28 AM 345 Views
Toun, though too young can be collared - 06/06/2010 03:29:29 AM 558 Views
I don't think Tuon will ever Channel - 06/06/2010 03:39:16 AM 662 Views
Everything points to a change in policy - 06/06/2010 04:04:33 AM 574 Views
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Not at all - 02/06/2010 03:52:31 PM 552 Views
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I think "tortured" is relative... - 03/06/2010 08:22:37 AM 640 Views
As with most things in Jordan's universe, I don't think it was thought through very seriously. - 03/06/2010 08:05:04 PM 579 Views
Huh? - 03/06/2010 08:44:35 PM 673 Views
Sure - 03/06/2010 09:00:40 PM 677 Views
Bah... - 03/06/2010 09:51:09 PM 641 Views
Jordan definitely made mistakes with the Ajahs. In particular, the Black Ajah ones who fled. - 03/06/2010 10:56:39 PM 630 Views
oh come now - 04/06/2010 12:58:44 AM 555 Views
Re: Sure - 04/06/2010 04:55:23 AM 716 Views
I don't know if that's totally true - 04/06/2010 12:09:29 PM 557 Views
Maybe you don't read that much serious literature? I just don't see why you are arguing this. - 04/06/2010 03:47:50 PM 585 Views
I actually don't read much fiction at all to be honest - 04/06/2010 04:00:03 PM 608 Views
You're right about the fact that I have mostly contempt for Jordan. - 04/06/2010 05:42:49 PM 586 Views
meh. I prefer non-fiction most of the time - 06/06/2010 03:44:38 AM 624 Views
I have read lots of fiction - 06/06/2010 03:57:07 AM 614 Views
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We've seen so little of the old tongue how can you tell? - 06/06/2010 03:33:46 AM 481 Views
This raises another question - 06/06/2010 04:13:25 AM 539 Views
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