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I'm denying that you have a clue darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM

Are you denying that Egwene stated that the only sister in Salidar who could match one of the Forsaken was Nynaeve?


Nope, Egwene states that clearly. Gives us NO insight into Egwene's relative strength in comparrison to either Nynaeve or Moghedien.

Are you denying that the text says Nynaeve's potential is a fire compared to Egwene's candle?


Bonfire v. Candle is a statement on AS reaction not actual strength. If it was meant literally Nynaeve would be so much stronger as to be a god.

Are you denying that Nynaeve grew SIGNIFICANTLY in strength beyond the point in time when she matched Moghedien in book 4?


While she's certainly grown there is NO indication that she has shown significant increase in strength since TSR. Incidentally both Elayne and Egwene have grown too. When Egwene notes Moghedien is stronger she is by no means at her full potential either. Unquestionably Egwene is weaker than Moghedien, the amount weaker is the question and in aCoS she's what 80% of her full potential? if Moghedien is at 85 that would make Egwene maybe a 65 at this time... would have had no chance.

Your problem is that you nitpick about syntax and exact quotes when yet can't see the bigger picture.


I nitpick that you change the entire meaning of a quote to suit your argument. We're told that Egwene and Aviendha in tFoH could OVERWHELM a female forsaken, this at a time when neither is even close to full potential. You claiming they might be able to match one turns the quote upside down and gives it a totally different meaning.

You, my friend, cannot see the wood for the trees.


At least I know I'm looking at wood and not claiming the plastic bush is a forest.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 02:17:06 PM 1216 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha DomA - 31/05/2010 04:18:08 PM 801 Views
I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl. darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM 682 Views
Egwene plus Aviendha roughly equal Lanfaer. And yet Lanfear isn't close to double Nynaeve's strength Shannow - 31/05/2010 09:07:06 PM 580 Views
Egwene and Aviendha combined in TFoH (when Avi had been channeling for only a few months) darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 09:22:17 PM 696 Views
We've done this so many times. Even I have lost the strength for it. What can I still muster... Shannow - 31/05/2010 09:38:24 PM 638 Views
again with the interpretive quoting darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 11:05:58 PM 676 Views
Individual interpretation is all we've got really Sidious - 01/06/2010 06:32:05 PM 619 Views
agreed, sort of darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 12:57:00 PM 623 Views
Consider this... Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:21:43 PM 598 Views
You continue to translate things. That is NOT how the quote reads darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 01:30:43 PM 392 Views
Not my fault if the books prove you wrong Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:41:00 PM 522 Views
I'm denying that you have a clue darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 01:51:14 PM 567 Views
Bonfire next to a candle. I rest my case. Shannow - 04/06/2010 01:53:59 PM 443 Views
then Nynaeve is the Creator darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 02:03:27 PM 557 Views
Estimating potential is exact, fragmentary historical notes are not. And RJ disproves your point.. Shannow - 04/06/2010 02:57:32 PM 657 Views
The books disagree with this darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 03:24:46 PM 489 Views
Right, NOW we're getting somewhere... Shannow - 04/06/2010 03:57:32 PM 602 Views
You are hilarious darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 04:06:37 PM 401 Views
Close the door on your way out... Shannow - 04/06/2010 04:21:11 PM 436 Views
no I just refuse to bother with a jackass who doesn't know the text well enough to debate *NM* darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 10:35:09 PM 269 Views
Re: agreed, sort of Sidious - 04/06/2010 04:46:59 PM 1286 Views
Reminds me of some of our ancient debates... Shannow - 04/06/2010 05:03:05 PM 537 Views
this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 10:33:04 PM 651 Views
Re: this doesn't square in any way with Bell Curve though Sidious - 04/06/2010 10:56:01 PM 547 Views
It's all good, I do respect your thoughts on this BTW darius_sedai - 04/06/2010 11:28:45 PM 501 Views
No, Rand was not stronger than the male Forsaken at the start of tSR... Shannow - 01/06/2010 09:27:47 AM 539 Views
Aginor burned out attempting to use the Eye, which Rand managed to do without burning out *NM* darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:06:01 PM 299 Views
The Eye was just a source of the Power - like a well, just bigger. Shannow - 01/06/2010 12:17:29 PM 563 Views
nope darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:52:46 PM 569 Views
You know that is not correct... Shannow - 01/06/2010 01:30:35 PM 599 Views
right or wrong it's in the text! darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 01:47:35 PM 675 Views
Re: I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl. DomA - 01/06/2010 02:18:38 AM 658 Views
I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:44:20 PM 711 Views
If 3 sisters can hold you, it probaly means you are as strong as 4 sisters... Shannow - 01/06/2010 06:37:01 PM 463 Views
Re: I'm not trying to say that Nynaeve isn't significantly stronger Sidious - 01/06/2010 06:43:08 PM 468 Views
Sidenote: What's with Elayne dumping people into the river? beetnemesis - 31/05/2010 06:22:26 PM 491 Views
Not Elayne, Egwene in Cairhien. She went to meet the Windfinder and got kicked out. Wasn't awesome *NM* Lordling - 31/05/2010 07:13:25 PM 378 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha Skeeve the Great - 31/05/2010 07:21:32 PM 531 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 07:41:02 PM 505 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha Skeeve the Great - 01/06/2010 06:07:35 PM 441 Views
Re: Interesting clues to OP Strength difference between Nynaeve and Elayne/Egwene/Aviendha darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 06:21:29 PM 452 Views
Remember gatways Kieran - 31/05/2010 09:15:31 PM 505 Views
I agree that it's probably some kind of max height you can lift an object darius_sedai - 31/05/2010 09:25:25 PM 484 Views
I think lifting people on flows of air is much like weaving bridges. FanEditor10 - 01/06/2010 07:42:59 AM 646 Views
I think you are correct actually. darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:53:21 PM 681 Views
Yes. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/06/2010 08:43:33 PM 431 Views
My own thougth was off base! darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 12:54:19 PM 507 Views
I'm pretty convinced that 'strength' really refers to your skill and experience. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/06/2010 08:35:16 PM 597 Views
Strength is a touchy word in this case... FanEditor10 - 03/06/2010 07:31:19 AM 576 Views
Re: Strength is a touchy word in this case... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 04/06/2010 04:52:33 PM 412 Views
I see effectiveness much the same darius_sedai - 05/06/2010 05:17:57 PM 720 Views
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