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Matching the Dragon with a mate Sidious Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM

I think that the Pattern tries to match up the Dragon with a suitable mate - someone who will satisfy him in every way. Considering he's the greatest man in the world, he needs a woman of equal prowess.

In the AOL, the Pattern might have tried Mierin initially. She seemed to have everything except that her personality was flawed, so that didn't work out. Ilyena seemed to have been the next 'ultimate woman'. We don't know much about her, but she was in no way some cheap barmaid that LTT was attracted to. As Ilyena Sunhair, she seemed to have considerable prowess as an Aes Sedai.

I don't think that any women of equal stature occur in the 3rd Age, which is why the Pattern clumped him with three women. Even if he'd been paired with the best of what the Age had to offer (probably someone like Elayne), he would have felt unfulfilled. Women like Ilyena don't exist anymore. We've seen Egwene and Min feeling unsubstantial when Lanfear appears - and that's just from her appearance.

The three women equalling Ilyena is an old theory, but I do think collectively they are Ilyena's essence - but definitely not her soul or ancestry etc.

Aviendha - passionate, aggressive, dashain Aiel, channeler, attractive
Elayne - educated, noble, channeler, tenacious, attractive
Min - empathy, goodwill, philosophy, uncomplicated, atractive

Ilyena was probably all of these in one.

I do think that AOL women (and men) are of much higher quality. We've only really got the Forsaken to go on, so that makes evidence tough, but ignoring their evil personalities they're remarkably accomplished people in general : almost all of them are attractive, physically strong and well educated. It seems that, like channeling, 3rd Age people are a level down in quality. They're a select group in many ways, so they're poor evidence - but Rand's visions of the AOL showed that the Aes Sedai in the Breaking were generally up there too. There really wasn't much for the Pattern to work with to suit up the DR with a mate.

I personally think that Nynaeve comes closest to AOL greatness (if you believe that Age to be superior : some readers don't). She seems to be an all-round accomplished woman, which is why Legendary Lan likes her so much.
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Matching the Dragon with a mate - 02/06/2010 10:09:49 AM 1458 Views
I think there is more to these women than simply being the Dragon's Mate - 02/06/2010 12:09:10 PM 790 Views
I agree with darius. Also, 2/3rds of Rand's women - 02/06/2010 02:38:13 PM 749 Views
What more IS there to being a woman? - 02/06/2010 03:52:23 PM 848 Views
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riiiight - 03/06/2010 11:20:31 AM 565 Views
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the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much - 03/06/2010 02:14:08 PM 706 Views
Re: the problem with your working out how strong they are is that it always begins with how much - 03/06/2010 02:23:32 PM 775 Views
Oh Sid! - 03/06/2010 02:53:48 PM 653 Views
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Like who - 01/07/2010 12:40:14 PM 587 Views
Ditto - 04/06/2010 04:41:15 PM 726 Views
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I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 08:49:53 AM 668 Views
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Re: I never said that's all they were - 03/06/2010 02:04:29 PM 646 Views
totally disagree! - 03/06/2010 02:50:58 PM 753 Views
Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic - 02/06/2010 12:48:56 PM 714 Views
oh dear god no - 02/06/2010 02:41:13 PM 677 Views
Re: oh dear god no - 02/06/2010 02:55:55 PM 749 Views
Re: Yeah Nynaeve is fantastic - 03/06/2010 08:51:52 AM 623 Views
Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 02/06/2010 02:15:35 PM 887 Views
*NM* - 02/06/2010 03:54:04 PM 288 Views
beautiful post!!!!!! *NM* - 02/06/2010 04:03:55 PM 429 Views
Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 02/06/2010 05:58:59 PM 750 Views
Re: Great post, but I would disagree with the top part - 03/06/2010 04:27:28 AM 745 Views
The pattern makes Rand the greatest man alive *NM* - 03/06/2010 10:35:05 AM 277 Views
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LOL - 03/06/2010 12:01:27 PM 618 Views
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Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 12:50:03 PM 642 Views
Re: Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 01:34:04 PM 836 Views
Re: Excellent point! - 03/06/2010 02:05:19 PM 733 Views
We don't even know how third names were earned - 03/06/2010 02:31:46 PM 700 Views
The point isn't her strength or beauty - 03/06/2010 03:01:03 PM 724 Views
Yeah, if only it was accurate - 03/06/2010 01:51:48 PM 795 Views
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Re: Matching the Dragon with a mate - 03/06/2010 02:20:05 PM 710 Views
Reasonable scientific venture - 01/07/2010 10:23:06 AM 820 Views
I think there is more to these characters than being a mate, and I don't think the Pattern cares. - 02/06/2010 03:23:13 PM 687 Views
Hmm... - 03/06/2010 09:28:55 AM 662 Views
Because the variables we see are rarely as specific. - 03/06/2010 03:18:16 PM 621 Views
I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. - 02/06/2010 05:14:08 PM 850 Views
Re: I doubt he needs one. They just get in the way. - 02/06/2010 08:30:32 PM 650 Views
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Meh. How do we know they aren't awarded the way the Nobel Peace Prize is in our world? - 02/06/2010 11:33:48 PM 674 Views
I don't know if Lanfear, the perfect woman didn't have a 3rd name it must have been - 02/06/2010 11:49:02 PM 590 Views
Lews Therin browbeat the Third Name Committee! - 03/06/2010 07:48:41 AM 588 Views
LOL *NM* - 03/06/2010 12:03:07 PM 364 Views
LOL They called it "Tamyrlin-Gate" =) *NM* - 04/06/2010 09:48:28 PM 258 Views

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