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Seanchan girls. Do they live in terror until 25? Datakim Send a noteboard - 02/06/2010 12:32:14 AM
I was just thinking about Seanchan and it occurred to me, what kind of impact do you think the whole a'dam testing procedure has on young girls in that society, and on the society as a whole.

I mean in the Seanchan society, absolutely every girl is tested to see if they can channel once every single year until they reach the age of 25. So basically if you are a girl living in Seanchan, every single year someone comes and sticks a collar around your neck to see if you have the ability to channel inborn, and if you do you are basically screwed forever. And you know it.

Now I would say everyone in Seanchan knows about the damane and how they are treated. I wonder what kind of effect this SHOULD have on any young Seanchan girl? I mean most people don't know they are channelers at first, so in most cases you likely would have no way to know if you are going to be held by the a'dam or not.

Should this not be something that absolutely terrifies everyone? I mean if you knew about the damane, would you not freak out every year when the time of testing came, knowing that if you had the bad luck to be able to channel you would be taken away to be tortured and brainwashed and then treated like an animal for the rest of your life, a very LONG life. Even if you believed that collaring was proper, you would still have to be very scared.

In large cities or towns, everyone would likely see this happen occasionally. Friends and family who are perfectly normal suddenly fail the test without warning. If you were say a 10 year old girl and your 19 year old sister failed, what kind of hell would your life be until 25 given the potential genetic factor? Or even the friends of the 19 year old who would have had no idea and who must realise that this means that it COULD happen to them aswell.

This would also likely be something that cruel children would use to terrorize others with, especially boys towars girls. We know bullies exist, creating a fake collar and slapping it around the neck of some girl would likely be a very effective way to cause fear and pain.

I also wonder what other implications this would have on a society.

For instance, I wonder if there is somekind of party or celebration in the family when a girl finally reaches 25 and fails the testing for the last time. I mean before that, there must always be a small doubt in everyones mind, "what if she can channel, what if she fails and is taken away". Would this perhaps cause some parents to stay distant from their female children out of fear and to avoid potential grief?

And what about relationships? I wonder if marriages would be more common with women past the 25 after men can be certain that their wife won't suddenly be taken away to be an animal in a kennel somewhere. What if you DID marry at say 16-20 and had a girl child, only to have the mother fail. What would the father think, knowing that the baby girl had a real chance of sharing her mother's fate someday. What would the child once she was old enough? Surely there would be a permanent stigma on the child. Would anyone want to marry her even if she failed the test herself, knowing that HER children could inherit their grandmothers channeling ability.

I wonder if people try to run away from the testing out of fear. Would there be somekind of underground or something that opposes the practise. One would think so, there are enough people that some must realise the immorality of it despite the pressure from the culture, even if they are few in number. Also I wonder if there exists bribery and such or other attempts to avoid the test just to be safe.

Seems to me that there are many ways that the damane system/testing would and should have a significant impact on the Seanchan in the ways I have described and many more that I have not thought of.

Thoughts?
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Seanchan girls. Do they live in terror until 25? - 02/06/2010 12:32:14 AM 1410 Views
A few details to consider - 02/06/2010 01:11:12 AM 797 Views
Re: A few details to consider - 02/06/2010 02:31:08 AM 807 Views
Wasn't talking about breeding damane - 03/06/2010 03:32:44 AM 801 Views
Re: Wasn't talking about breeding damane - 04/06/2010 07:30:55 PM 662 Views
Well, it took centuries for most people to understand breeding/genetics - 02/06/2010 08:57:43 PM 626 Views
Nobody knows about Sul'dam because it takes them extra long to learn. - 03/06/2010 07:58:41 AM 928 Views
Re: A few details to consider - 04/06/2010 07:33:39 AM 659 Views
I think it's seen as something that happens to other people. - 02/06/2010 02:20:09 AM 668 Views
I think they retest only the sul'dam - 02/06/2010 04:13:55 AM 837 Views
Re: I think they retest only the sul'dam - 04/06/2010 07:55:56 PM 634 Views
Point on the testing - 08/06/2010 02:15:26 AM 606 Views
Re: Point on the testing - 08/06/2010 02:46:06 PM 673 Views
Remember, Seancean have no idea channeling can be "learned" - 02/06/2010 07:04:11 AM 729 Views
This is how Damane and Sul'Dam are determined, straight from tGH - 03/06/2010 08:14:03 AM 1031 Views
That doesn't make sense. Are you sure they don't put the BRACELET on the girls, not the collar? - 04/06/2010 01:35:08 AM 624 Views
I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 03:09:08 AM 689 Views
Re: I am absolutely sure. Quote from book. - 04/06/2010 11:54:25 AM 571 Views
Thanks Darius *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:48:28 AM 345 Views
Toun, though too young can be collared - 06/06/2010 03:29:29 AM 558 Views
I don't think Tuon will ever Channel - 06/06/2010 03:39:16 AM 662 Views
Everything points to a change in policy - 06/06/2010 04:04:33 AM 574 Views
Re: Everything points to a change in policy - 06/06/2010 04:18:21 AM 467 Views
Re: I don't think Tuon will ever Channel - 06/06/2010 05:07:40 AM 581 Views
Not at all - 02/06/2010 03:52:31 PM 552 Views
Re: Are the new damane actually tortured? - 02/06/2010 06:56:10 PM 699 Views
I think "tortured" is relative... - 03/06/2010 08:22:37 AM 640 Views
As with most things in Jordan's universe, I don't think it was thought through very seriously. - 03/06/2010 08:05:04 PM 579 Views
Huh? - 03/06/2010 08:44:35 PM 675 Views
Sure - 03/06/2010 09:00:40 PM 677 Views
Bah... - 03/06/2010 09:51:09 PM 642 Views
Jordan definitely made mistakes with the Ajahs. In particular, the Black Ajah ones who fled. - 03/06/2010 10:56:39 PM 632 Views
oh come now - 04/06/2010 12:58:44 AM 555 Views
Re: Sure - 04/06/2010 04:55:23 AM 716 Views
I don't know if that's totally true - 04/06/2010 12:09:29 PM 557 Views
Maybe you don't read that much serious literature? I just don't see why you are arguing this. - 04/06/2010 03:47:50 PM 585 Views
I actually don't read much fiction at all to be honest - 04/06/2010 04:00:03 PM 609 Views
You're right about the fact that I have mostly contempt for Jordan. - 04/06/2010 05:42:49 PM 587 Views
meh. I prefer non-fiction most of the time - 06/06/2010 03:44:38 AM 624 Views
I have read lots of fiction - 06/06/2010 03:57:07 AM 616 Views
Meh - 04/06/2010 05:03:41 PM 601 Views
LOL ... I hear ya on that - 06/06/2010 03:49:48 AM 618 Views
We've seen so little of the old tongue how can you tell? - 06/06/2010 03:33:46 AM 482 Views
This raises another question - 06/06/2010 04:13:25 AM 540 Views
Re: This raises another question - 06/06/2010 04:53:42 AM 597 Views

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