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I don't know. Elayne knows how strong a woman needs to be in order to activate the Bowl. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 31/05/2010 07:51:08 PM
I see a few flaws in your interpretations:

"But I’m not quite strong enough to work it by myself."


Elayne isn't even close to being able to use the Bowl on her own (at least, not for what they intended to do with it - the ter'angreal was actually designed to control the weather in much, much smaller areas).

She doesn't really know how strong a woman has to be to make the bowl work, she's guessing. Part of her problem was that she didn't have the skills to operate it properly...

Herself isn't quite strong enough (she thinks), so forcibly all the Salidar women aren't. She wonders if Nynaeve, who is significantly stronger than Elayne and Egwene (this was confirmed by Brandon, by the way), might be strong enough.

Elayne is merely guessing at the strength needed to power the Bowl (and as it turns out, they will overpower it and overwork the ter'angreal, making the OP "weird" in the south for a while. The Bowl didn't need that much OP to work, it wasn't designed to create so global an effect on the weather)

Let's assume this is very close for Nynaeve since she has to give it some thought before she says she can't do it... so perhaps Nynaeve's maximum is between 480-500lbs.

The whole episode is very unreliable for comparison, as Nynaeve didn't have access to her full strength. She had access to a limited quantity of saidar from a well, not renewable. She wasn't guessing if she could lift that weight in th absolute, she was guessing if she had enough saidar in her well to do it, keeping enough for the rest of possible emergencies. She had to ponder that decision well. If she tried and miscalculated, she emptied her well... That's why she hesitated and finally judged this wouldn't work. I'd assume she has a good idea already how much she can lift when she has her full strength. In Far Madding, she had to re adjust herself, because Nynaeve isn't used to work under limitations of strength. She has more than enough strength to do pretty much all she has tried to do.


She mentions it more than once. Clearly they needed more strength to affect the larger area they were attempting, thus the large circle and all the angreal involved.

As for Nynaeve and her Well. She states quite clearly that the Well contains enough Saidar to lift both Rand and Lan up, but not quite enough to bring them back down. There is no reason to believe that she can't channel to her fullest (at the time) as in TGS she tells us flat out that the Guardians did not muck with her ability to channel, once she had the Power in her.

I'm not familiar with the Brandon quote, but I would still question it since he wasn't even certain of Cyndane's strength until Maria corrected him. I'd also say that a 15-20% increase over Egwene/Elayne would qualify as "significant". If she was much more than that above them the various achievements don't really fit.

If you take the comparison to height (as Nynaeve does in TGS). Egwene would be 2x taller than a tall AS (let's say Merise) ... for ease let's say that makes her 12 feet tall (to Merise's 6). if Nynaeve is 20% taller that would make her 14'5" tall! nearly 2 and a half feet taller than Egwene ... seems pretty significant to me. What it gets down to is that Elayne is much closer to Nynaeve's strength than she is to Moiraine's strength.
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