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Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel Send a noteboard - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM
That doesn't mean that the evil guys aren't deadly.

When Asmo opens the door, he obviously doesn't already see his killer. He needs to take one step into the room/corridor, and then suddenly he is confronted by his killer. This indicates an appearance out of thin air.

If Slayer had the general order to kill Asmo, because a Forsaken wanted Asmo dead, and by chance Slayer found Asmo in the empty palace, he took this super opportunity & finished him.
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2512 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1251 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 693 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1061 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 991 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 904 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 623 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 577 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1049 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1361 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 712 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1042 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1131 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1007 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1075 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1071 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1124 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 997 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 978 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 942 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 956 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1077 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1031 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 983 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1098 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 881 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 852 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 843 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1167 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1037 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1125 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1129 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 635 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 973 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1025 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1030 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 975 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1014 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 966 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 983 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1004 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1142 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1062 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1053 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 979 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1009 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1116 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1148 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 955 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1065 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 936 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 995 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1020 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 887 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1004 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 903 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 908 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 988 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1069 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 926 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 904 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1068 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1006 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 530 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1027 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1000 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1035 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 941 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 990 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1004 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1062 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 918 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 984 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1003 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 972 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 988 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 776 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 937 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 889 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 943 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 900 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 736 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1001 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1107 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 649 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 809 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1018 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1214 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 717 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1158 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 942 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 956 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 916 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 949 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 890 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 594 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 646 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1001 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 939 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 599 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1021 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 692 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 911 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 975 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 935 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 950 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1033 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1035 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1005 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 838 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 840 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 882 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 851 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 923 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 835 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 642 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 774 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 792 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 933 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1015 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 958 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 873 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 987 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1004 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 929 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 888 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 901 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 914 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 954 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1021 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 941 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 878 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 646 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 802 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 486 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 697 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 975 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 966 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 914 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 919 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 660 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1029 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 889 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 912 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 954 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 898 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 966 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 954 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 881 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 980 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1049 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 935 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 904 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 989 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1025 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 990 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 957 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1053 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 825 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 905 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 875 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1057 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 955 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 945 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 846 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 926 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1001 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1376 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 921 Views
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