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I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM
I would think that slicing the flows would require you to be faster than the effect (i.e. the balefire stream) could be generated.

Rand, after all, was weaving balefire once, and then changed his mind, allowing certain flows to dissipate with enough time to change his mind, implying that the flows can still be acted on before the weave does its' work. Otherwise he'd have to discharge it before he could do anything else.


maybe pure luck would enable it, but short of what you describe above I don't think it's possible for another Channeler to react that quickly. And once the weave is complete it seems that the BF would just destroy another weave... unless it was also BF... and we all know how that turned out!
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An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds Etzel - 27/05/2010 12:12:50 PM 2580 Views
I hate to say it, as I love this mystery.... GateKeeper - 27/05/2010 03:01:08 PM 1327 Views
Surely, there can never be enough Asmo threads! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:18:06 PM 721 Views
I have a theory on the killer that doesn't involve Slayer... FanEditor10 - 28/05/2010 03:41:23 AM 1129 Views
It's not really obvious... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:08:27 AM 1068 Views
In addition to Etzel's comments newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:08:45 PM 978 Views
I'm pretty sure the Myrdraal that killed Caradin's family was a Proto-version of SH *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:56:58 PM 644 Views
Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin *NM* newyorkersedai - 29/05/2010 04:40:15 PM 608 Views
Re: Smacking & ordering Carridin, yes - but no evidence it killed his kin darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 09:16:01 PM 1130 Views
Far-fetched, IMO DomA - 27/05/2010 04:01:05 PM 1423 Views
very well said *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 04:19:10 PM 743 Views
I don't want Slayer to be the killer Etzel - 27/05/2010 04:33:06 PM 1119 Views
The way you twist things, it certainly seems so! fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 05:07:22 PM 1214 Views
Bah, hogwash! Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:17:37 PM 1083 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! DomA - 27/05/2010 08:14:16 PM 1119 Views
The point is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:38:49 AM 1160 Views
Yes, but Fain is a far cry from your average non-channeler darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:01:44 PM 1206 Views
As is Slayer Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:25:07 PM 1065 Views
There is no evidence of this at all darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:32:37 PM 1045 Views
Yeah, the evil guys don't manage to harm the good guys Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:38:57 PM 1018 Views
so far we've seen Slayer kill a sleeping guy and his wife darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:45:14 PM 1039 Views
I disagree. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:50:02 PM 1153 Views
You always twist the quotes to make them say what Jordan didn't intend to say.... DomA - 28/05/2010 02:20:09 PM 1108 Views
I think this is your interpretation Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:14 PM 1051 Views
Yeah right... fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 08:35:35 PM 1141 Views
See my replies above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:40:42 AM 934 Views
Re: Bah, hogwash! Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:28:16 AM 932 Views
See my repy to DomA. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:39:15 AM 905 Views
None of this explains how Slayer had opportunity that others didn't darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:12:48 PM 1245 Views
We often see... Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:33:19 PM 1110 Views
I just keep coming back to Slayer needs wild explanations while Graendal is more obvious darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 05:52:13 PM 1191 Views
Ok, as we said in the other thread, let's RAFO! *NM* Etzel - 27/05/2010 05:57:49 PM 1203 Views
Agreed *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:03:51 PM 668 Views
Indeed Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:39:14 AM 1045 Views
Well... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:19:46 AM 1103 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:20:15 PM 1107 Views
I adressed the points regarding the Fain-comparsion above Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:35:08 PM 1048 Views
your Slayer theory is ridiculously complex! darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:37:08 PM 1096 Views
It just requires to combine some clues from the first 5 books & some common sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:44:10 PM 1038 Views
common sense? darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:51:25 PM 1053 Views
See my posts above. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:50:56 PM 1072 Views
Re: Well... Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:27:40 PM 1213 Views
No... Etzel - 28/05/2010 03:04:41 PM 1132 Views
let's try this another way darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:14:07 PM 1125 Views
The main problem with Graendal is... Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:31:09 PM 1047 Views
Graendal has a pretty significant role in TFoH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 06:54:39 PM 1060 Views
Re: The main problem with Graendal is... DomA - 28/05/2010 09:20:27 PM 1185 Views
my first thought was it was Sammael or Graendal. Come LoC it was clear to me that it was Graendal. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 09:44:38 PM 1228 Views
RJ used the expression... Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:17:08 AM 1026 Views
be careful ... your stretching far enough you might hurt yourself darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:12:29 PM 1132 Views
Re: No... Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:38:49 PM 1004 Views
Re: I don't want Slayer to be the killer DomA - 27/05/2010 07:47:40 PM 1083 Views
Couple of questions scalius - 27/05/2010 09:53:05 PM 1107 Views
Be'lal managed to get out NO! darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:08:33 PM 958 Views
Hmmm scalius - 27/05/2010 10:27:55 PM 1079 Views
Re: Hmmm RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:34:30 PM 974 Views
I don't think you can actually cut BF weaves darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 10:45:34 PM 989 Views
Hmmm I wonder about that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 10:58:46 PM 1047 Views
I think it would be impossible for someone to react that quickly darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:13:01 PM 1146 Views
We've seen it done. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 28/05/2010 06:32:08 PM 991 Views
Not the same thing darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:00:13 PM 973 Views
Re: Couple of questions DomA - 28/05/2010 03:29:29 PM 1140 Views
As said... Etzel - 28/05/2010 08:36:28 AM 1086 Views
Of course you do. Trying to deny it is just silly. Everyone knows your bias. *NM* Tom - 27/05/2010 08:43:18 PM 557 Views
No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Etzel - 27/05/2010 09:08:48 PM 1097 Views
Re: No, seriously, if actually Graendal did it, it's ok to me, too Sidious - 28/05/2010 08:25:46 AM 1080 Views
But look... Etzel - 28/05/2010 09:01:12 AM 1105 Views
if there are clues in TFoH I find it hard to believe that Slayer is involved darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:29:40 PM 1003 Views
The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:32:13 PM 1067 Views
Re: The scene of Asmo's murder contains clues, of course darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:35:22 PM 1073 Views
RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 12:40:23 PM 1130 Views
Re: RJ said the main clues are in the books before LoC. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 12:52:30 PM 993 Views
Yeah, I know. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:51:32 PM 1054 Views
Yet Slayer is no where to be seen between his vanishing after TSR and the start of WH darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:09:44 PM 1073 Views
??? Sidious - 28/05/2010 02:19:17 PM 1039 Views
Of course RJ implied that. You should read his quotes about Asmo! *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 02:52:32 PM 1061 Views
Here is what RJ said EDIT darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 03:29:19 PM 838 Views
Indeed Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:18:35 PM 1001 Views
Re: Indeed darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 05:26:38 PM 965 Views
But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:33:02 PM 1013 Views
Re: But he was already introduced to us before the murder, and that is all that matters. *NM* darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 07:05:27 PM 988 Views
LOL!! Sidious - 28/05/2010 03:29:35 PM 805 Views
Too much? Etzel - 28/05/2010 05:16:44 PM 1062 Views
Re: Far-fetched, IMO saidarisnowtainted - 02/06/2010 07:34:58 PM 1184 Views
Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:13:04 PM 676 Views
Re: Sent by whom? And how on earth would he be expected to interrupt a Forsaken plot? saidarisnowtainted - 19/06/2010 12:59:54 AM 886 Views
Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken darius_sedai - 19/06/2010 03:30:37 AM 1089 Views
Re: Slayer takes orders from the Forsaken saidarisnowtainted - 24/06/2010 09:03:18 AM 1294 Views
The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book darius_sedai - 26/06/2010 02:32:26 PM 801 Views
Re: The orders to not kill Rand didn't happen until the next book saidarisnowtainted - 01/07/2010 10:13:53 PM 1220 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:19:18 PM 1016 Views
Re: An analysis of Asmodean's last seconds DomA - 27/05/2010 09:16:21 PM 1027 Views
Lanfear killed Asmo..... trzaska2000 - 28/05/2010 05:05:55 AM 986 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 28/05/2010 11:09:14 AM 1030 Views
Sorry, Lanfear did it..... trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:47:44 AM 960 Views
Considering that RJ didn't even necessarily want to reveal it, it was pretty random, yeah. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:25:54 AM 624 Views
Death is Moridin "when death took him"; need I say more *NM* Knightscape - 28/05/2010 10:07:14 AM 678 Views
There is a quote that refutes this... Etzel - 28/05/2010 10:22:12 AM 1071 Views
He could have recognized Moridan.....due to the True Power in his eyes. trzaska2000 - 29/05/2010 03:49:49 AM 1018 Views
No other Forsaken immediately recognizes Moridin as Ishy because of the saa. *NM* Etzel - 29/05/2010 08:26:44 AM 640 Views
RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 08:55:01 PM 1098 Views
Re: RJ failed, Etzel's analysis is sharp, and I'm gonna abandon the Asmo question forever *NM* newyorkersedai - 28/05/2010 09:24:41 PM 731 Views
I think I found an RJ quote that kills the Slayer theory darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 01:57:20 PM 972 Views
If Slayer is actually the killer... Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:20:32 PM 1050 Views
Please, RJ would do as he always had and immediately RAFOd a question like that darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:26:10 PM 1014 Views
Well, I don't think so. Etzel - 29/05/2010 02:43:28 PM 1039 Views
yet he never gave an answer like this one darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 02:57:35 PM 1108 Views
Again... Etzel - 29/05/2010 03:09:06 PM 1105 Views
Taking things NO darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 03:12:24 PM 1075 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:44:05 AM 911 Views
If Slayer never met Asmo in the books he could not have killed him darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 12:46:40 PM 908 Views
But Slayer could have met Asmo, when he was killed.. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 01:06:01 PM 970 Views
Directly contradicts what RJ said "they did not meet in the books" darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:51:50 PM 921 Views
Not "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 06/06/2010 06:03:34 PM 966 Views
Re: Not "before" the murder. *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 10:25:16 PM 920 Views
He answers the question, if they met "before" the murder. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 07:18:50 AM 666 Views
not if it didn't happen in the books darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:08:34 PM 858 Views
I'm relieved then... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:13:58 PM 864 Views
it's nearly as simplistic as knowing Graendal did it darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:48:42 PM 997 Views
Compilation of the clues I could find on Slayer and Graendal darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 04:26:58 PM 1099 Views
I think Asmo's killer was as surprised as he. TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:26:03 PM 1039 Views
That's what I've always thought as well. Seriana Sedai - 29/05/2010 10:06:56 PM 964 Views
That's always been my theory too Sidious - 29/05/2010 10:18:30 PM 1067 Views
*nods* darius_sedai - 29/05/2010 11:23:18 PM 1082 Views
Re: That's always been my theory too Seriana Sedai - 30/05/2010 07:35:50 AM 997 Views
You know, there's no direct proof suggesting that Asmo's killer was "surprised"..... trzaska2000 - 01/06/2010 04:04:56 AM 950 Views
That's why I said "I think" and offered my opinion. TaskmasterJack - 01/06/2010 09:46:09 PM 997 Views
except the Author said it was a murder of opportunity darius_sedai - 01/06/2010 11:13:14 PM 984 Views
That is simply false. Etzel - 02/06/2010 10:00:27 AM 1045 Views
RJ stated it was a murder of opportunity ... I never said "only" darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 11:49:23 AM 1095 Views
Of course, it is false Etzel - 02/06/2010 12:13:11 PM 1014 Views
Here are the quotes darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 12:39:29 PM 942 Views
As said, those quotes simply don't support that the murder was basically just an unplanned accident. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:14:29 PM 664 Views
I disagree. It's pretty much black and white that the opportunity/timing is the key factor to darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:39:03 PM 873 Views
Actually I like it because it fits Slayer better than Graendal, as pointed out. *NM* Etzel - 02/06/2010 02:51:24 PM 522 Views
that makes no sense at all *NM* darius_sedai - 02/06/2010 02:53:28 PM 717 Views
RJ pretty much said it wasn't Slayer. FanEditor10 - 06/06/2010 05:47:13 AM 1044 Views
Well... Etzel - 06/06/2010 10:46:13 AM 1038 Views
Logic darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 02:53:27 PM 995 Views
You're falling into Etzelian logic there... DomA - 06/06/2010 03:25:30 PM 993 Views
I'm just being a smartass *NM* darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 03:36:00 PM 689 Views
It's good that Etzel sticks to his guns Sidious - 06/06/2010 04:42:01 PM 1102 Views
OMG, Taim and Mesaana were getting it on in the pantry darius_sedai - 06/06/2010 09:49:57 PM 962 Views
That reminds me... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:46:58 AM 988 Views
That's not anyone's logic, this argument is simply utter nonsense. *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:08:05 PM 1029 Views
just like thinking Slayer was the killer is darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:09:34 PM 979 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 12:21:31 PM 1071 Views
thinking the top assassin killed someone when it's been stated over and over darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 12:56:48 PM 1019 Views
Those quotes pretty much show that Graendal is careful... *NM* Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:03:26 PM 975 Views
No they show that she is deliberate! darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 01:12:29 PM 1053 Views
That are just semantics Etzel - 07/06/2010 01:36:12 PM 1127 Views
and you think it's obvious that Slayer was the premier Shadow assassin prior to WH? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:06:47 PM 1010 Views
As I explained you several times, I can see why RJ thought it is obvious, yes... Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:17:01 PM 976 Views
Why wouldn't Graendal head to Caemlyn at that point? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 02:36:24 PM 1053 Views
And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? Etzel - 07/06/2010 02:54:33 PM 1105 Views
Re: And where was she then, when Rand attacked Rahvin? darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:01:14 PM 1065 Views
You should re-read the scene where Moghedien tells Nynaeve about it... Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:12:55 PM 1051 Views
That's a different thing than Moghedien saying the plan was canceled darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 03:15:32 PM 1131 Views
That is essentially what Moghedien said. Etzel - 07/06/2010 03:33:35 PM 893 Views
um no it's not darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:17:04 PM 980 Views
It's told after that... Etzel - 07/06/2010 04:46:31 PM 945 Views
No it doesn't. It tells us that Rahvin, just like all the others had a side plan in place darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 04:55:43 PM 1096 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:17:59 PM 1023 Views
Funny I feel the same way you do ... darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:25:48 PM 1020 Views
Ah, whatever... Etzel - 07/06/2010 05:35:22 PM 924 Views
We are on the exact same page darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 05:42:48 PM 992 Views
Re: We are on the exact same page Sidious - 07/06/2010 05:52:37 PM 1068 Views
LMAO darius_sedai - 07/06/2010 06:07:16 PM 1451 Views
I promised Etzel long ago... Fanatic-Templar - 19/06/2010 04:49:11 AM 1004 Views
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