Re: You'd need to be crazy or weak to write Fain easily
newyorkersedai Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 10:59:53 PM
I've taken some time to think about your comments, still quoted below. You make excellent points. & I agree that I always wanted more from the Forsaken. Whether the cause boils down to author's priorities or some stylistic flaw is open. Maybe I'm getting a little passive as a reader, because with WoT, I assumed that the low-key operation of the Chosen was a difference between the AoL and Current Age wars against the Shadow.
Back in the day, the Dark had all this machinery that they could take advantage of - a connected, industrialized world at the peak of development. It created opportunities to cause massive carnage. This time around, the Dark is starting with no country in direct control, and they need two books to gain power on a national level. And worse: the channeling population is lower, more poorly-trained; horse and ships are the fast modes of xport; industry barely exists, and information travels slowly (and inaccurately). I figured with all that, the Forsaken had fewer opportunities to enact actions as before (save Semi, Moggy). There's just less Chosen around, so they have the BA & Isam to do their large-scale nastiness (Logain, Taim, Two Rivers, etc).
The duration and world-wide scale of the AoL fight also gives us 4+ years and many locations that were involved. I assumed this meant us readers end up getting some of the choicest stories on the Forsaken, and that we wouldn't get to see those kinds of actions until the fighting broke out on a major scale. All of our Forsaken were governors and/or generals - and we've gotten bare glimpses of Graendal surreptitiously ruling her nation or Rahvin and Sammael's actions in Caemlyn and Ilian. To that end, I would wish that they'd begun large-scale Light/Dark fighting in TGS-1.
Maybe we'll get something in ToM. Like Mesaana feed all of Lugard's women-haters to the Trollocs.
Back in the day, the Dark had all this machinery that they could take advantage of - a connected, industrialized world at the peak of development. It created opportunities to cause massive carnage. This time around, the Dark is starting with no country in direct control, and they need two books to gain power on a national level. And worse: the channeling population is lower, more poorly-trained; horse and ships are the fast modes of xport; industry barely exists, and information travels slowly (and inaccurately). I figured with all that, the Forsaken had fewer opportunities to enact actions as before (save Semi, Moggy). There's just less Chosen around, so they have the BA & Isam to do their large-scale nastiness (Logain, Taim, Two Rivers, etc).
The duration and world-wide scale of the AoL fight also gives us 4+ years and many locations that were involved. I assumed this meant us readers end up getting some of the choicest stories on the Forsaken, and that we wouldn't get to see those kinds of actions until the fighting broke out on a major scale. All of our Forsaken were governors and/or generals - and we've gotten bare glimpses of Graendal surreptitiously ruling her nation or Rahvin and Sammael's actions in Caemlyn and Ilian. To that end, I would wish that they'd begun large-scale Light/Dark fighting in TGS-1.
Maybe we'll get something in ToM. Like Mesaana feed all of Lugard's women-haters to the Trollocs.
I don't think anyone is asking him to write rape scenes, but the POV should at least demonstrate why the character's worldview is warped.
I think RJ's challenge would be to make the villains charming and intelligent characters whose worldviews and thought patterns aren't so obviously gross. An intelligent person who has reasons for destroying other people and the world without dipping into insanity or barbarism is more terrifying than a mindless monster.
In other words, he shouldn't take the easy way out and just tell us what they did to make them Forsaken - he can subtly nod to these horrific activities. It is this ability to engage the imaginations of readers to fill in the blanks that I find RJ lacks. For example, if all the inhabitants of the farm Lanfear visited were found to have gone insane and eaten each other, and we found this out from the POV of an Aes Sedai sent to investigate, it would reinforce what Lanfear did during the Age of Legends in our minds while making a trail of horror that would magnify her threat. Her threat wasn't that she was an amazingly powerful channeler - it was that she could drive entire cities insane. But we never see this - all we saw is her skin one man, kill a girl, and throw waves of Fire at Aiel. In other words, she is operatic and larger than life, but not horrific in a human sense.
I think RJ's challenge would be to make the villains charming and intelligent characters whose worldviews and thought patterns aren't so obviously gross. An intelligent person who has reasons for destroying other people and the world without dipping into insanity or barbarism is more terrifying than a mindless monster.
In other words, he shouldn't take the easy way out and just tell us what they did to make them Forsaken - he can subtly nod to these horrific activities. It is this ability to engage the imaginations of readers to fill in the blanks that I find RJ lacks. For example, if all the inhabitants of the farm Lanfear visited were found to have gone insane and eaten each other, and we found this out from the POV of an Aes Sedai sent to investigate, it would reinforce what Lanfear did during the Age of Legends in our minds while making a trail of horror that would magnify her threat. Her threat wasn't that she was an amazingly powerful channeler - it was that she could drive entire cities insane. But we never see this - all we saw is her skin one man, kill a girl, and throw waves of Fire at Aiel. In other words, she is operatic and larger than life, but not horrific in a human sense.
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