Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
Gher Send a noteboard - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
So that's a bit of a fundamental question. Given that we know that channeling is genetic, there must be something physical that affects your ability to channel, it seems therefore unlikely that a bodiless individual would be able to channel more and better than their real body.
I do think that dreamwalking channelers only believe that they are channeling, which may explain both why their ability to channel vanishes when caught in Nightmares, and also why Moghedien was absolutely terrified of Rand and Rahvin being present 'in the flesh' - they were throwing the One Power about, whereas Moghedien and Nynaeve were only pretending to throw the One Power about.
Of course, that's just my hypothesis, and I really have no absolute evidence for it, but I do think it is more likely.
I do think that dreamwalking channelers only believe that they are channeling, which may explain both why their ability to channel vanishes when caught in Nightmares, and also why Moghedien was absolutely terrified of Rand and Rahvin being present 'in the flesh' - they were throwing the One Power about, whereas Moghedien and Nynaeve were only pretending to throw the One Power about.
Of course, that's just my hypothesis, and I really have no absolute evidence for it, but I do think it is more likely.
I don't think that TAR channeling could affect the outside world, imagined or otherwise. I don't think Sidious' scenario is plausible.
"And it breaks my heart to look around, and see the unimpressed; who can't believe the emperor is dressed"~Fastball
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Help me out with a TAR problem
26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM
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26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM
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No I don't mean that
26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM
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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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Re: I disagree
27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM
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Re: That's the point.
27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM
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Dream gateway!
27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM
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