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Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM
"Don't be petty. Just because I spread around lies that you raised and supported world-shattering abominations and international criminals in an effort to turn your Sisters against you is no reason to deny that I am the solution to all the White bTower's problems."

And you are also claiming that Pevara is the pettiest Aes Sedai in the Red Ajah? Seriously?

We've had plenty of passages indicating that the Reds were offended by this defamatory propaganda, as obviously they should.


It's easily possible that the Reds are keeping their mouths shut because there have been instances where FDs were set up by less scrupulous Sisters of the Red ... not to mention the fact that the Black had a massive foothold in the Ajah. If it hasn't already, it's certain to come out soon that there was a greater proportion of Blacks in the Red than any other Ajah AND that the Ajah Head herself was Black! Who is to say that even Reds aren't starting to believe Siuan's lies? Given the situation it's certainly a plausible story.

It will be interesting to see if Javindrha ever returns from the Black Tower since she was named as one of the ring-leaders by Logain (and thus Siuan).


All the Red Sisters in the Tower are following that policy of ignoring the rebel propaganda, in order for your wild guessing to be accurate, you'd have all these Sisters know about it, but not Pevara, a Sitter for the Red Ajah!Pevara, whom we know not to be Black Ajah and to be bouynd by the Oath against lying clearly called it a lie.

The facts are against you.


As I recall there was a supposed plot for Black Sisters to help Taim escape and make him a terror on the world ... given that there would be a 100% chance of a Red in any group of Sisters sent after a FD and the fact that a much larger proportion of Reds are Blacks and that the woman likely to pick the Red who would lead the expedition was Black (Galina) it's pretty easy to conclude that some Reds have been involved with raising FD in the past.

However, I do not imply that Logain was in anyway supported by the Red (or the Black) ... just that it's possible that in the history of the Tower that other FDs had in fact been set up by Reds.

The point is that it's possible Reds like Pevaara give this no credence because she finds it abhorrent, and in true AS fashion assumes if she believes it to be false that it MUST be false.

But what about Katerine Alruddin? She'd do it in a second. Run of the mill Reds aren't blind either, it's possible that some few suspect a woman like Katerine would not be above this action and thus are keeping their mouths shut because they know that there are more than a few women of their Ajah who could have been part of such a plot, and any of the Blacks in the Red would realize it could be a BA plot.

I'm not making wild guesses, merely offering a plausible (IMO) rationale for some Reds to keep their mouths shut on the matter.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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