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“Turn her over to the White Tower, you say?” he said, glancing back into the room. “Which White Tower? Would you entrust her to Elaida? Or did you mean the others? I doubt that Egwene would be pleased if I dropped one of the Forsaken in her lap. Egwene might just let Semirhage go and take me captive instead. Force me to kneel before the White Tower’s justice and gentle me just to give her another notch in her belt.”

Nynaeve frowned. “Rand! Egwene would never—”

“She’s Amyrlin,” he said, downing his cup of wine in one gulp. It was as putrid as he recalled. “Aes Sedai to the core. I’m just another pawn to her.”

Yes, Lews Therin said. We need to stay away from all of them. They refused to help us, you know. Refused! Said my plan was too reckless. That left me with only the Hundred Companions, no women to form a circle. Traitors! This is their fault. But . . . but I’m the one who killed Ilyena. Why?

Weird as Rand has gotten, this outburst of Rand's against Egwene is oddly timed and overly vehement. While Egwene-haters are probably skipping like rabbits on a high, I think this is a significant shift in poition that needs looking into.

True, there is no reason for Rand to greatly trust Egwene at the present time, and given his obvious paranoia about the Aes Sedai, it would hardly be surprising if Rand stated his distrust of Egwene. He's been doing that since tFoH at least, I think.

But here he is, a few days from sending an offer of 47 Asha'man to Egwene (itself a rather irrational decision), claiming that Egwene would send a Forsaken to capture him so he could be stilled, stating that Egwene want "another" notch in her belt.

But for that statement about "another notch in the belt", I might have said this was simply a case of using an extreme example to drive his point home. But it seems here as if Rand resents Egwene, for some success or other, all in the space of a few days!

What are the possibilities?

1) Something happens in the prologue: Maybe Egwene rejects the offer? That's all I can come up with, unless she somehow escapes the Tower in the Prologue and causes some major problem for Rand. Even this is outside the realm of probability since both Lelaine and Romanda were for the offer.

2) LTT's anger against Latra Pose is leaching into Rand: We've seen that memories and skills have been passed on to Rand from LTT. Rand suddenly finds himself able to paint, finds himself remembering an orchard, etc. Could the same be happening with LTT's emotions?

It seems clear enough that Latra Pose was someone with whom LTT had a lot of contact. Certainly, they were the chief leaders of the Aes Sedai of their times, and LP's opposition, according to LTT, caused the taint on saidin and caused Illyena's death.

It wouldn't be surprising if LTT felt a great deal of frustration over Latra's success with the female Aes Sedai. And if he associates Illyena's death with his loss at Shayol Ghul, he probably feels deeply angry that Latra succeeded so well.

It isn't outside the realm of possibility that LTT had to make many concessions to Latra. Could it be that Rand's decision to preempt Egwene's anger by sending 47 Asha'man to her triggered LTT's dormant anger? Just like him, Rand is now having to make concessions to the leader of the female Aes Sedai. Does LTT associate Egwene with Latra Pose? Does he see her as an impediment?

I think this is so, and these feelings of LTT's are unconsciously affecting Rand's thought process. Maybe he finds it frustrating that despite his reasonable distrust of all Aes Sedai, he needs to keep them happy so that Egwene wouldn't be angry with him.

It is an interesting situation, paralleling what happened in the AoL. The Latra Pose of today is trying to unite all the women, but not against LTT's plan but in support of his avatar. Yet, there is now mutual distrust. From Egwene's side, anger that Aes Sedai have sworn to Rand. From Rand's side, frustration that he has to work to keep Aes Sedai placated, while they seem to be of no help at all. Added to this is LTT's own ancient anger against Latra Pose, coloring Rand's view of Egwene.

I think all this makes these paragraphs the most significant of the first chapter. Not only do they set up Rand's search for the final solution, they also give a hint of the greatest hurdle to the Light's success: mistrust between male and female channelers, exemplified by the mistrust between their leaders.

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Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1 - 05/09/2009 05:23:47 PM 5933 Views
For all of those whining about it not sounding like RJ: - 05/09/2009 05:47:07 PM 1855 Views
Agreed. If anything, it's a tribute to RJ - 05/09/2009 06:17:36 PM 1664 Views
You're forgetting one thing. - 06/09/2009 12:13:03 AM 1808 Views
And if he were to off Egwene? What would your opinion be? *NM* - 07/09/2009 05:38:36 AM 897 Views
He dislikes Sanderson's prose. Plot content is irrelevant here. *NM* - 08/09/2009 06:44:42 PM 995 Views
Who cares? That would have been RJs decision anyway. - 09/09/2009 06:15:16 AM 1431 Views
not impressed - 05/09/2009 06:24:02 PM 1799 Views
all recap, no meat - 14/09/2009 12:33:35 PM 1435 Views
Pretty good. - 05/09/2009 07:35:41 PM 45240 Views
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Re: Pretty good. - 06/09/2009 01:19:22 AM 2022 Views
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Re: Pretty good. - 13/09/2009 01:22:22 PM 1392 Views
I found it well-written, but rather uninteresting story-wise *NM* - 05/09/2009 08:04:15 PM 996 Views
because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter - 05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM 1543 Views
I'm tired of passive story telling. - 05/09/2009 08:57:13 PM 1498 Views
On the other hand... - 05/09/2009 08:58:21 PM 1577 Views
Re: I'm tired of passive story telling. - 05/09/2009 10:42:57 PM 1441 Views
Which escape? - 05/09/2009 11:10:01 PM 1470 Views
I'm tired of mindless readers - 06/09/2009 01:54:14 AM 1589 Views
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Your best yet Dom! *NM* - 06/09/2009 02:04:40 PM 934 Views
Re: I'm tired of mindless readers - 07/09/2009 04:39:36 AM 1455 Views
Re: I'm tired of mindless readers - 07/09/2009 10:42:29 PM 1443 Views
I was over critical. - 06/09/2009 04:56:48 AM 1378 Views
It's been happening since Book IV btw. - 16/09/2009 05:30:52 PM 1245 Views
A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 05/09/2009 09:34:44 PM 1627 Views
I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter. - 06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM 1409 Views
I don't really agree... - 06/09/2009 03:50:08 AM 1392 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 06/09/2009 02:52:47 AM 2051 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 06/09/2009 07:08:08 AM 1371 Views
Just answer one question... - 06/09/2009 07:53:12 AM 1854 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 06/09/2009 10:31:20 AM 1808 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 08/09/2009 10:19:13 PM 1316 Views
If I may make a few somewhat irrelevant interjections... - 09/09/2009 04:44:45 AM 1334 Views
Re: If I may make a few somewhat irrelevant interjections... - 14/09/2009 04:46:29 PM 1486 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 10/09/2009 06:20:56 AM 1559 Views
On Egwene... - 10/09/2009 04:33:58 PM 1380 Views
Nynaeve - 08/09/2009 05:43:43 AM 1467 Views
Re: Nynaeve - 08/09/2009 08:06:20 AM 1336 Views
Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers) - 07/09/2009 04:41:47 AM 1486 Views
Answers, short, long and longer. - 07/09/2009 11:27:53 PM 1396 Views
I think you missed some things. (spoilers) - 16/09/2009 05:21:43 PM 1178 Views
People who still have their wotmania SNs draw mine.... - 21/09/2009 05:25:15 PM 1240 Views
Good post, but I have an alternative explanation for the saidin barrier - 28/09/2009 12:53:41 AM 1232 Views
First thought...a typo! ner vous = nervous. *NM* - 05/09/2009 09:55:28 PM 933 Views
I loved it! - 05/09/2009 10:52:17 PM 1487 Views
I didn't like the opening sequence. - 05/09/2009 10:58:17 PM 1494 Views
Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 06/09/2009 12:02:13 AM 1440 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 06/09/2009 12:44:11 AM 1498 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 07/09/2009 09:08:21 AM 1406 Views
This is what RJ said. - 06/09/2009 12:47:26 AM 1423 Views
Re: This is what RJ said. - 06/09/2009 01:24:36 AM 1417 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 06/09/2009 05:12:25 PM 1294 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 06/09/2009 07:20:45 PM 1293 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 07/09/2009 04:05:09 AM 1318 Views
Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson - 07/09/2009 09:33:25 AM 1322 Views
I found it...interesting --spoilers-- - 06/09/2009 01:33:11 AM 1623 Views
Re: I found it...interesting --spoilers-- - 06/09/2009 01:42:07 AM 1485 Views
Re: I found it...interesting --spoilers-- - 06/09/2009 02:54:17 PM 1516 Views
I'm excited. (Here be spoilers) - 06/09/2009 03:29:59 AM 1382 Views
six questions and nine statements - 06/09/2009 04:47:52 AM 1452 Views
Re: Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1 - 06/09/2009 04:51:04 AM 1400 Views
Re: Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1 - 06/09/2009 07:30:53 AM 1499 Views
I liked it - 06/09/2009 07:58:09 AM 1405 Views
Some questions... - 06/09/2009 08:04:30 AM 1435 Views
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Re: Some questions... - 06/09/2009 08:53:20 AM 1408 Views
Re: I liked it - 06/09/2009 09:55:41 PM 1410 Views
Theory: Rand and Egwene. What is up? - 06/09/2009 07:59:58 AM 2299 Views
Also - 06/09/2009 08:24:45 AM 1446 Views
A simpler answer - 06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM 1493 Views
Really? - 06/09/2009 03:38:59 PM 1356 Views
are we already at the location of the book cover? - 06/09/2009 11:49:06 AM 1381 Views
Re: are we already at the location of the book cover? - 06/09/2009 02:43:24 PM 1392 Views
I still think it's Aviendha - 07/09/2009 05:14:50 AM 1226 Views
Omniscient narrator not neutral enough, for one... - 06/09/2009 04:17:51 PM 1543 Views
Yip - 06/09/2009 04:29:40 PM 1486 Views
Yes... - 06/09/2009 04:39:00 PM 1350 Views
I totally agree...the narration was the biggest put-off for me - 09/09/2009 09:51:52 PM 1271 Views
Two Things - 07/09/2009 12:25:31 AM 1461 Views
Moiraine - 07/09/2009 01:19:08 AM 1531 Views
The Moiraine thing is dumb - 09/09/2009 09:53:51 PM 1398 Views
She fell through the doorway with Lanfear - 09/09/2009 10:18:55 PM 1341 Views
uh - 09/09/2009 10:57:17 PM 1376 Views
Timeline? - 07/09/2009 05:10:16 AM 1374 Views
Re: Timeline? - 07/09/2009 05:52:50 PM 1370 Views
So what chapter symbol is it going to have? *NM* - 07/09/2009 08:09:54 AM 848 Views
the dragon in COT chap 23 ornaments *NM* - 07/09/2009 01:28:58 PM 858 Views
The Seanchan are up to something - 07/09/2009 10:26:23 AM 1370 Views
Red stone doorway. - 07/09/2009 03:27:22 PM 1304 Views
The whole thing was explained by Rand in KoD. So no, not new. - 07/09/2009 06:35:01 PM 1305 Views
No - 07/09/2009 07:57:57 PM 1324 Views
Questions, Comments Thoughts and Theories about tGS - 07/09/2009 09:09:05 PM 1417 Views
My thoughts are that the main page is being crowded by too many duplicate threads - 07/09/2009 10:23:41 PM 1388 Views
Hrm... - 08/09/2009 05:28:19 AM 1440 Views
Enjoyed it - 08/09/2009 01:35:03 AM 1371 Views
Ready for More - 08/09/2009 04:25:19 PM 1429 Views
... - 08/09/2009 07:24:46 PM 1353 Views
Not sure what I expected, but not this... - 09/09/2009 04:07:10 PM 1422 Views
I know why Rand is mad at Egwene...read inside to find out - 11/09/2009 03:15:00 AM 1359 Views
It's his increasing paranoia and dehumanization. - 15/09/2009 03:03:53 AM 1360 Views
Re: Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1 - 16/09/2009 06:20:14 AM 1182 Views
Semirhage isn't scaring anyone - 28/09/2009 02:32:34 PM 1689 Views
Indeed... - 28/09/2009 03:36:55 PM 1306 Views
Will the Chosen pass that edict down or just not act themselves? - 28/09/2009 10:29:53 PM 1263 Views

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