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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
IMO she actually made very few real mistakes, but she was walking a very thin line and it didn't take much to topple her, and Leanne got sucked in for the ride.

Siuan's main errors (IMO):

1. Secrecy, despite her fears of the BA she needed to tell the Hall something about the DR.

2. Arrogance, even knowing how tenuous her situation was she still ignored Min's viewing and changed nothing of her behavior and took no precautions.

3. Web of AS lies, like Moghedien Siuan got caught in her own web of deviousness ... had she not forced BA Hunting on the girls Elaida wouldn't have been sent packing from Caemlyn for reasons she could lay on Siuan. Couple that with her keeping Min around to "read" people and openly manipulating Gawyn and Galad in regards to Elayne's vanishing and you have a recipe for disaster.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5023 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1050 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 844 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1099 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 973 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 966 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 973 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 830 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 839 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 480 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 494 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 435 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 924 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1054 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 878 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 913 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 875 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 877 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 804 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1009 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 909 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1039 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 932 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1094 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 924 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 966 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 916 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 973 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 887 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 717 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1115 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 862 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 818 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 868 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 925 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 851 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 830 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 926 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 869 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1037 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 909 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 884 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 783 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 540 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 482 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 759 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 880 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 887 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 881 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 792 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 932 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 868 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 850 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 908 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 813 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 849 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 943 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 993 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 755 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 819 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 920 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 883 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 751 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 749 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 854 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 886 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 720 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 881 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 845 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 711 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 911 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 754 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 810 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 832 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 767 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 782 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 972 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 582 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 796 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 922 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 912 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 928 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 827 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 814 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 814 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1072 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 782 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 814 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 934 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 751 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 902 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 841 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 843 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 690 Views
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