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He raised other issues too Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.


There are several reasons why Siuan is treated so badly. As Amyrlin she allowed something unprecedented to occur - the breaking of the Tower. Not only that, but most Sisters know that she is the actual reason for it too.

Secondly, she can't channel, which makes her less than the weakest novice. If Michael Jordan was paralyzed he would retain respect but if he tried to exert influence on able-bodied players he would soon find himself in deep water.

Finally, Siuan looks like a young girl, so it's even harder to respect her.

Liandrin was the head of the black ajah posse but when Moghedien shielded her they ignored her command within one paragraph. The Shadow is undoubtedly more hostile in this area, but it seems that the Light is equally abrasive once the ability is lost.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5094 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1120 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 920 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1166 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 1039 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 1038 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 1043 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 908 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 906 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 505 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 520 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 459 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 993 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1122 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 953 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 977 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 953 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 953 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 877 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1078 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 980 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1121 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 1000 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1162 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 993 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 1039 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 1000 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 1016 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 949 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 777 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1185 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 931 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 885 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 947 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 969 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 911 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 898 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 1001 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 944 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1090 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 957 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 965 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 848 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 570 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 515 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 832 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 958 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 957 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 951 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 860 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 992 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 938 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 928 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 985 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 873 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 915 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 1001 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 1073 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 824 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 888 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 990 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 963 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 821 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 817 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 927 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 961 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 783 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 960 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 887 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 776 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 987 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 798 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 887 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 904 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 841 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 843 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 1034 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 609 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 858 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 992 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 997 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 996 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 890 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 881 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 876 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1136 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 858 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 884 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 1001 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 824 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 944 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 913 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 916 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 768 Views
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