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He raised other issues too Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM
What is unrealistic is that someone with the experience of ruling the world is demoted to the point of being a servile nobody who has to endure a "be quiet until you are spoken to" attitude from the girls she used to rule.

If Michael Jordan is suddenly crippled and unable to get out of a wheelchair he would still have the respect of other NBA players, despite having lost his abilities.

Same with Roger Federer in tennis, or a gifted fighter pilot in the Air Force, or any other person who used to hold a position of acclaim and greatness.

Portraying her as having to show deference and servitude to women who used to be her subjects is ridiculous.


There are several reasons why Siuan is treated so badly. As Amyrlin she allowed something unprecedented to occur - the breaking of the Tower. Not only that, but most Sisters know that she is the actual reason for it too.

Secondly, she can't channel, which makes her less than the weakest novice. If Michael Jordan was paralyzed he would retain respect but if he tried to exert influence on able-bodied players he would soon find himself in deep water.

Finally, Siuan looks like a young girl, so it's even harder to respect her.

Liandrin was the head of the black ajah posse but when Moghedien shielded her they ignored her command within one paragraph. The Shadow is undoubtedly more hostile in this area, but it seems that the Light is equally abrasive once the ability is lost.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5021 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1048 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 841 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1097 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 969 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 964 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 970 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 826 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 837 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 480 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 494 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 435 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 922 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1050 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 876 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 911 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 872 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 877 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 803 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1009 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 906 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1039 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 928 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1092 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 924 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 963 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 914 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 972 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 885 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 715 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1114 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 859 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 816 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 865 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 923 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 849 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 828 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 923 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 869 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1034 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 907 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 881 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 783 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 540 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 482 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 757 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 878 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 885 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 879 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 790 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 930 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 865 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 848 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 906 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 811 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 847 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 941 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 990 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 753 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 817 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 918 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 883 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 749 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 748 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 851 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 885 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 718 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 879 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 843 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 709 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 910 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 753 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 808 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 829 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 766 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 782 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 968 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 582 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 794 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 922 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 909 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 926 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 825 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 812 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 812 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1070 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 780 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 812 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 932 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 749 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 900 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 839 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 840 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 690 Views
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