In addition: The Jenn Aiel had their own paradise construct.
krassos Send a noteboard - 09/05/2010 06:12:40 PM
how about the Aiel, arms linked and singing, who were killed one by one by one crazy male channeler? The last one he left alive after killing thousands, who sang for hours, trying to remind the crazy male Aes Sedai of who and what he used to be? Were he/they singing the Seed Song? I seriously doubt it. Rather one of many "Songs" the Aiel and others-Aiel, Ogier, Nym and Aes Sedai- sang.
The so-called Song of the Tinkers is so obviously a metaphor for everything they have lost(including their own true history) that it makes me crazy that people don't get it. Remember they have no Jenn Aiel and secret city of Rhuidan to keep their true history alive. They don't even know why the clans hate them! Yet you would believe their vague legends of one special song are true?
Not likely.
The so-called Song of the Tinkers is so obviously a metaphor for everything they have lost(including their own true history) that it makes me crazy that people don't get it. Remember they have no Jenn Aiel and secret city of Rhuidan to keep their true history alive. They don't even know why the clans hate them! Yet you would believe their vague legends of one special song are true?
Not likely.
It involved finding a place to plant the Chora trees. If they could do that, then the old times would be reborn anew and life would be good. This was after the Aiel/Tinker split. We find out about this in book 4, I think it was in the section about the birth of the Maiden sisterhood.
The Aiel were a cheerful people in the AoL. They sang and danced and lived and laughed. They were known for their singing. This all came to an end during/after the breaking. They stopped singing and their songs turned into a happy memory for better times. They broke off in order to leave behind their now meaningless responsibilities to the Aes Sedai and try to find some happiness in what they lost - singing and music.
They searched for music and found it. Nothing changed. Life still sucked. But they abandoned their final task, which must have brought guilt, because these are a loyal people - a group of people who even after 3000 years of violence, still hold to the way of the leaf. Their earlier 'betrayal' is like a grain of sand in an oyster.
The Song--how it worked and why it was lost--OGIERS ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL
06/05/2010 03:25:18 AM
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there is no Song. None. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Bupkis.
06/05/2010 04:22:38 AM
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There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them.
12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM
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I don't feel like going into the Song nonsense again. As for the Tinkers/Jenn...
12/05/2010 11:51:34 PM
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They DID fail the Aes Sedai; at least in their own eyes.
16/05/2010 04:59:38 AM
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it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf
19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM
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because Rand was the very first person ever to see that at Rhuidan?
13/05/2010 05:04:40 AM
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I'm quite sure the Ogier are not artificial
06/05/2010 11:32:17 AM
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I thought RJ said something about the Ogier being from another planet?
06/05/2010 02:44:21 PM
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This can be inferred from discussion of the Book of Translation *NM*
10/05/2010 10:04:05 PM
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The song was "Hey Soul Sister" by Train. It was lost when the last ter'angreal Ipod broke.
06/05/2010 02:41:42 PM
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According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
07/05/2010 11:25:20 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
08/05/2010 08:29:39 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
09/05/2010 01:48:49 AM
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--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
08/05/2010 03:07:55 AM
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Re: --Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
10/05/2010 09:59:42 PM
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How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 12:44:22 AM
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Re: How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 01:38:36 AM
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Oh, ok. But...
09/05/2010 05:26:54 AM
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If we want to talk about flashbacks...
09/05/2010 05:22:34 PM
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In addition: The Jenn Aiel had their own paradise construct.
09/05/2010 06:12:40 PM
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I doubt it.
09/05/2010 06:38:39 PM
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LTT asked it because he was bonkers
10/05/2010 05:22:06 AM
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I agree.
11/05/2010 12:35:43 AM
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That's not how his insanity was portrayed.
11/05/2010 02:23:08 AM
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If it weren't a Seed Song, why're the Nym needed? if not needed why did they forget how to sing?
11/05/2010 04:48:12 AM
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From where did you get the idea that Nym were needed?
11/05/2010 05:11:15 AM
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I got the part about the Nym from a sub thread in this post. One you commented on. Keep up man.
11/05/2010 05:42:14 AM
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My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think?
11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM
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The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM
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Re: The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 07:49:02 PM
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