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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
I don't care how realistic and logical and deserved it was- it completely defanged one of the few sources of actual dread left in the series.






So Semirhage, the black-robed Mistress of Pain, the woman who tortured whatshername-Sedai and her Warder, was turned into nothing more than a petulant child who demanded attention. It was reasonable, and a logical plot progression- but I don't have to like it, story wise.


How did they do so well in the AOL war, it's obvious they are next to useless at anything without the power, weren't the forsaken the cream of the crop mostly, the upper echelons of the hierachy conducting the war? So these hapless fools (barring demi and moridin) and god knows what their underlings must have been like, "won" the war. I doubt they got incompentent, so that lends me to believe that Lews Therin was perhaps not the best choice to lead the forces of light, considering how bad he did against whats on offer now.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Shannow - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3058 Views
The two of you are pathetic Cannoli - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1557 Views
Your problem is... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1467 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* Narg - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 667 Views
No. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1256 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1162 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 558 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* beetnemesis - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1275 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1248 Views
True to a degree Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1175 Views
There's a little more to it as well Light in the Night - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1140 Views
You know, I agree BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1225 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1068 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1040 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 604 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all MightyYT - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1032 Views
That's what I meant, actually beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1053 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 989 Views
Re: You know, I agree Evil_Monkey - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1167 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1219 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1066 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1131 Views
Ditto *NM* echooff - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 531 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1111 Views
WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world Lord Haart - 20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM 1022 Views
Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too! beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM 1118 Views
I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government... Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM 1034 Views
And also BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1084 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 997 Views
Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore p hart - 08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM 1148 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic p hart - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1129 Views
personally, I loved the scene kcf - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1271 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 602 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1218 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 651 Views
That was barely a response... fionwe1987 - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1079 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1090 Views
Re: That was barely a response... p hart - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1155 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1098 Views
On the other hand BlackAdder - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1027 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1048 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1080 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1069 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1121 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. Fanatic-Templar - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1027 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. p hart - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1142 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 963 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1015 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1101 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? Lohikaarme - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1016 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 1002 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power p hart - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 981 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1066 Views
If they're good at killing people Lohikaarme - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 863 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1135 Views
exactly *NM* AgentOrange - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 598 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food Wotmaniac Reborn - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1109 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline Skeeve the Great - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1181 Views
I'd like to see that too . Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1005 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 594 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... vandevere - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1137 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* BlackAdder - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 685 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. Rand al'Thor - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1189 Views
I agree with your second half beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1023 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special AgentOrange - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1038 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians beetnemesis - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1057 Views
She is dead to me! Sandwich - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 901 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 986 Views
Book 14 you think Lord o' Salv - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1018 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? Shannow - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1127 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. Sidious - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1161 Views
Don't avoid the question... Shannow - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1073 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is Sidious - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1059 Views
Hehe... Shannow - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1064 Views
Re: Hehe... Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1060 Views
Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is p hart - 08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM 1138 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 981 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel BlackAdder - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1035 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 976 Views
Re: Sidious - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1031 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 8357 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1014 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Lord Haart - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1107 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne Sidious - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1327 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 955 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out everynametaken - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1112 Views
The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS beetnemesis - 20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM 1120 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 1068 Views
because thats what sadists are! nigelgoboom - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1309 Views
How many people p hart - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1024 Views
At least two. Kaldric - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 894 Views
Re: At least two. p hart - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1157 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order Rurouni_Kenshin - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1016 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... Demortae - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1225 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. The Angry Druid - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1071 Views
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