An irony is that because of Brandon's own style, his descriptive paragraphs are actually longer than Jordan! The long opening survey of Tar Valon, for instance. Jordan would have been more succinct, perhaps much more. The grammar and prose are different, but - at least in the sample of one chapter only - Brandon defintely got the spirit of Jordan's descriptions. It reads like the way RJ uses descriptions, but written by someone else.
That's my real complaint - he's not as good with it. He's trying to describe things the way RJ does, but I don't think his vocabulary is up to it. There's cases of settling for what my teachers in grade school used to call overworked words, or falling back on the word we might use in contemporary speech, but not one that Rand would use when describing something.
Which is fine. Big fans of the prose (as I am, so is Cannoli) have undeniably lost something big (and not because Brandon isn't good, but because for it's not Jordan) but it's not something we had expected to get with AMOL after RJ died.
Well, those of us stupid enough to trust Jason did.
Reading pseudo-Robert Jordan would have been terrible, anyway. After a few chapters, when the story intensifies, that should be barely noticeable. It may get more irritating on multiple re reads, once you're less captivated by the story itself - especially full ones preceeded by 11 books by RJ.
Here's hoping.
Out of "voice" here and there, but not out of character. Nothing major. Rand pays too much attention suddenly to things he hasn't in some time, that sort of things. The only line that came off really weird to me is Cadsuane using a metaphor about painting when speaking of torture. The association felt odd in her mouth. Too Questioner-like.
Agreed. Cadsuane was the biggest problem for me. Sanderson's abuse of the pronoun "one" was grating (I kept thinking of Liza Doolittle at the racetrack), and I found her addressing Nynaeve as "child" to be gratuitous and out of character. Cadsuane would simply call her "girl." Calling someone "child" is a trick of the typical Aes Sedai, whose attitude of superiority derives entirely from her status as such. Cadsuane's attitude of superiority is subtly different, but profound - it is grounded entirely on her own qualities. She has no false modesty and knows her own worth and capabilities, and measures people by her own standards. She almost never falls back on her office as a means of garnering respect. Cadsuane is not better than you because she's Aes Sedai (or a "real" Aes Sedai), she's better than you 'cause she's Cadsuane! It might be nit-picking, but that is the difference implied in the choice of words to me. And Cadsuane doesn't stride. The use of the word stride implies physical expression of emotion completely at odds with her normal deportment. She is seldom even described as moving - stillness and calmness and unextraordinary physical activity are the hallmarks of Cadsuane's appearances. Nynaeve, Egwene, Siuan, Birgitte, Elaida, Elayne, Faile, even Moiraine can stride. Cadsuane should not, or at least not unless it is intended to convey something off or unsettling or strongly affecting her. Simply entering Rand's room is not the appropriate place for such a word.
And I realize that such things are nit-picky or perhaps too subtle to make a fuss over for most people, but these are the only sorts of things that should pass muster for the editors and publishers of WoT. If anything more serious had gone through, I would be calling for heads on platters. As it is, there are a lot of subtle problems, which add up to a dissonance in the style, but I have hopes that it will go down easier over time.
But he's doing well enough. I didn't expect Brandon to be able to study everything to the most minute details, for instance study the subtleties in the progression of Rand's voice through the books to the point he can reproduce it to perfection. He would have needed not a few months but a year or more of research and analysis to get there. Between his re read and Harriet's guidance, he's done more than well enough as it is. So Rand is not exactly as distanced as he felt from his entourage in recent books, and speaks of clothes like Elayne or Mat would do. Big deal. The plot points, the core psychology of the character are all there. That was essential, and it's there.
More or less. I don't have specifics, but I got the impression he whined more, and articulated thoughts that belonged in the background descriptions.
Totally Adam. The irony is that quite a few of those who have made those accusations don't even know their Jordan well enough to know what they're talking about (eg: saying it reads like FF because Cadsuane speaks of paintings and painters and it's barely in the series at all. Jeez. A simple keyword search show there are dozens and more references to art, painting, the new style in favour (oil on canvas)- there is a fledging 'renaissance' ongoing in fine arts in the series - RJ just mostly kept it to background descriptions or minor plot point (like Elaida commissioning a painting) etc. But it's there. Fan fiction, indeed.
Let's not go that far. I've come across some fairly horrible examples of such on the internet. I'm not exactly thrilled with what we've got so far, and Jason's blather didn't help, but I'd rather have what we're getting now, than something a few degrees closer next year. Sanderson was not going to hit his stride vocabulary-wise for years if ever, so the real problems I have would not be solved with more time to familiarize himself with the characters, even if I do think his expressed understanding of them to date has been distressingly shallow and superficial, resulting in the "off" portrayal of Cadsuane such as I described above. Even if he totally got all of that, I think his own writing style suggests I would still have problems with that sort of thing. I can't even be sure whether the Cadsuane issue is a problem of characterization or simply that he expresses the same concept in a different manner than I would understand it.
It could be worse. To wit:
1. Kevin J Anderson
2. Joe Torre (just because he craps up everything)
3. Sara DouglAss
4. No more WoT at all
5. George RR Martin (we wouldn't see aMoL OR DwD for about five more years at best)
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
Your thoughts on TGS - Chapter 1
05/09/2009 05:23:47 PM
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For all of those whining about it not sounding like RJ:
05/09/2009 05:47:07 PM
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You're forgetting one thing.
06/09/2009 12:13:03 AM
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And if he were to off Egwene? What would your opinion be? *NM*
07/09/2009 05:38:36 AM
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He dislikes Sanderson's prose. Plot content is irrelevant here. *NM*
08/09/2009 06:44:42 PM
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Pretty good.
05/09/2009 07:35:41 PM
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Re: Pretty good.
05/09/2009 09:13:44 PM
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Re: Pretty good.
06/09/2009 01:19:22 AM
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I found it well-written, but rather uninteresting story-wise *NM*
05/09/2009 08:04:15 PM
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because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
05/09/2009 08:29:18 PM
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I'm tired of passive story telling.
05/09/2009 08:57:13 PM
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I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 01:54:14 AM
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Re: I'm tired of mindless readers
06/09/2009 04:01:56 AM
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I was over critical.
06/09/2009 04:56:48 AM
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A real analyst or literary critic would laugh his ass off to see this...
06/09/2009 06:51:57 AM
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Re: because there should totaly be massive plot development in the first chapter
06/09/2009 01:22:09 AM
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A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 09:34:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
05/09/2009 10:03:59 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 03:18:41 AM
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I think Lews Therin's comments to Rand were the most hugely significant part of the chapter.
06/09/2009 01:15:05 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 02:52:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 07:08:08 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
06/09/2009 10:31:20 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 05:09:38 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 10:19:13 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
10/09/2009 06:20:56 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
08/09/2009 11:46:44 PM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
07/09/2009 04:41:47 AM
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Re: A few things that drew my attention... (this is long and rambling...spoilers)
09/09/2009 03:48:53 PM
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Good post, but I have an alternative explanation for the saidin barrier
28/09/2009 12:53:41 AM
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Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 12:02:13 AM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 05:12:25 PM
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Re: Robert Jordon vs Brandon Sanderson
06/09/2009 07:20:45 PM
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I found it...interesting --spoilers--
06/09/2009 01:33:11 AM
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I liked it
06/09/2009 07:58:09 AM
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Some questions...
06/09/2009 08:04:30 AM
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Theory: Rand and Egwene. What is up?
06/09/2009 07:59:58 AM
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A simpler answer
06/09/2009 03:04:04 PM
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Really?
06/09/2009 03:38:59 PM
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Look at what he has seen...
06/09/2009 11:45:44 PM
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And all this happeened in the few days between the end of KoD and the beginning of tGS?
07/09/2009 12:35:29 AM
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Why not? How often did he think of Egwene in A Plain Wooden Box? It might have been there already
07/09/2009 05:29:27 AM
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She treated him like a pawn when she "passed" him over to Elayne way back. NM *NM*
07/09/2009 02:49:18 PM
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are we already at the location of the book cover?
06/09/2009 11:49:06 AM
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Two Things
07/09/2009 12:25:31 AM
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My thoughts are that the main page is being crowded by too many duplicate threads
07/09/2009 10:23:41 PM
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I know why Rand is mad at Egwene...read inside to find out
11/09/2009 03:15:00 AM
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Ummm... the embassy's proposal was accepted, and (presumably) communicated to Egwene at the earliest *NM*
11/09/2009 04:16:31 AM
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Semirhage isn't scaring anyone
28/09/2009 02:32:34 PM
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Indeed...
28/09/2009 03:36:55 PM
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Will the Chosen pass that edict down or just not act themselves?
28/09/2009 10:29:53 PM
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