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well, yeah ranagrande Send a noteboard - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM
So you are saying that if anybody does anything at all, if there has been initial input by someone else than your work means nothing? Excuse me if I say BS! Lets take a real world example. I do warranty analysis for the people who make the NYC subway cars. The warranty team's job is to keep the trains running during the warranty period. Subway trains are incredibly complex pieces of machinery, software, and firmware with all kinds of systemic interlocks, communication and controllers. Some of our techs are absolutely brilliant diagnosticians who can get to the root of a difficult problem and determine how to fix it. If I tell one of these guy to fix the train, and he does, are you going to try to tell me that since I asked him to fix it that the repair isn't his but mine? And the credit goes to me? You gotta be kidding right?
People are never as important as they think they are. That tech did a good job repairing the train, so sure, he gets some credit. But if he hadn't done it, one of the others probably would have. If the fix would not have been made without your asking, then yes, you might deserve credit for it. However, you wouldn't have noticed anything if there was no train to begin with, so perhaps credit should really just go to its builders or inventors. The line can (almost) always be traced further back. In the grand scheme of things, the NYC subway system is superfluous anyway, just like the Aes Sedai.

Or take another example from my experience. I used to be a professional musician. Was in several small bands generally either quintets or sextets. Say someone hires us for a gig, small concert hall seating maybe 2000. It's a bad night, one guy has a bad cold, lead singer had a big fight with her boyfriend, the bass player wants to quit. We play terrible. But according to you our bad music would be the fault of the music director of the hall! Simply because he asked us to play there. I'm sorry but that idea is just plain nuts. I am responsible for my actions, my successes and my failures not someone else. And I be willing to bet that you'd scream bloody murder if some AS tried to take credit of something she asked someone else to do.
You can bet that there will be people who blame that music director and insist that he should have booked a better band. As before, the negativity always travels further back. The owner of the music hall should be ashamed for having a music director that booked a band that had an off-night. Fortunately for them, it too is all rather superfluous.
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You know... it feels like the Aes Sedai are pretty superflouous - 02/09/2009 09:48:19 PM 1179 Views
Y'know, the paralells betwen the Aes Sedai in the White Tower... - 02/09/2009 10:46:29 PM 766 Views
Well said. Hadn't really thought of it that way before *NM* - 03/09/2009 12:01:30 AM 483 Views
And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 03:37:14 AM 787 Views
Re: And yet the WT has been THE single greatest force for continuity and civilization. - 03/09/2009 05:46:13 AM 746 Views
Really? - 03/09/2009 05:52:38 AM 716 Views
Re: Really? - 03/09/2009 06:03:13 AM 682 Views
So lets add a few more - 03/09/2009 11:42:48 AM 684 Views
most of these are accounted for above - 03/09/2009 02:18:01 PM 757 Views
But who did the work? - 03/09/2009 05:37:00 PM 609 Views
While these are good, none of it is because of the White Tower - 03/09/2009 05:43:56 PM 632 Views
So if Elaida didn't order it, it doesn't count? - 03/09/2009 07:29:20 PM 618 Views
Actually I think that's his point - 04/09/2009 01:40:37 PM 701 Views
Spot-on - 04/09/2009 08:56:30 PM 530 Views
Re: Actually I think that's his point - 05/09/2009 03:17:25 AM 569 Views
Re: But who did the work? - 04/09/2009 01:32:19 PM 642 Views
Only one point because obviously your mind is made up. - 05/09/2009 06:13:23 AM 670 Views
well, yeah - 05/09/2009 02:33:51 PM 739 Views
In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 03:03:07 PM 610 Views
Re: In that case, Rand, Mat, Perrin... all of them are superfluous. - 05/09/2009 04:57:44 PM 605 Views
No, fionwe1987 is absolutely right! - 05/09/2009 05:13:39 PM 565 Views
I'm glad the real world disagrees with you - 05/09/2009 05:05:50 PM 608 Views
I'm not convinced that it does - 05/09/2009 05:44:10 PM 708 Views
I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 04:25:22 PM 631 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:09:38 PM 680 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:23:53 PM 612 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 05/09/2009 09:02:47 AM 811 Views
Re: I don't understand your point - 03/09/2009 09:49:58 PM 591 Views
I was talking about the WT specifically, and only during recent years. It's Gotta be the Shadow, - 03/09/2009 05:39:11 PM 608 Views
So what you are really saying is that if you ignore over 2/3rds of the AS the rest aren't doing much - 03/09/2009 06:07:23 PM 553 Views
I'm talking about the organization as a whole - 03/09/2009 10:07:37 PM 624 Views
No you are talking about Elaida - 03/09/2009 10:32:59 PM 547 Views
You just made our point... - 04/09/2009 12:49:44 AM 643 Views
Well, because most of her actions infringe on that "bubble" - 04/09/2009 09:00:52 PM 548 Views
Not at all... - 04/09/2009 09:23:09 PM 658 Views
To a certain extent - 03/09/2009 11:33:30 AM 792 Views
Definitely. And Egwene is in denial. - 03/09/2009 05:53:14 PM 634 Views
Some pretty big blanket statements - 03/09/2009 10:24:50 PM 749 Views
Without the Tower - 03/09/2009 02:05:09 PM 544 Views
Actually, I think Verin is a good metaphor here. - 03/09/2009 07:59:46 PM 589 Views
Agrees with Nossy - 03/09/2009 10:44:06 PM 885 Views
That's mostly what I was trying to say - 04/09/2009 09:03:52 PM 549 Views
Re: That's mostly what I was trying to say - 05/09/2009 03:33:46 AM 890 Views

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