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Re: trespasses against persons is subjective. Cannoli Send a noteboard - 09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM
the idiots who argue for same-sex marriage based on "it will ruin the sanctity of marriage" are trying that exact line of thought. It trespasses against their marriages and their ideologies to a degree they proclaim is unconstitutional.

It's total bollocks, but my point is that there is more to trespass against a person than trespass against their body...and so then we eventually enter that gray fuzzy area...

I don't disagree, but unfortunately, things are rarely so simple :(
Actually, the real problem with same-sex marriage is forcing other people to recognize it. THAT is a trespass against one's person & property rights (i.e. forcing an employer to extend remuneration to a party because of a relationship that violates the employer's beliefs, etc). Marriage only has legal privileges and protections because of a long history of practice within society and near-universal acknowledgement of the institution and its meaning. The laws about marriage came about in recognition of the reality. There is no such history or grounding for same sex marriage, but laws for it will not simply codify traditional practices, they will force people to recognize and support a practice that is new and alien to them. The inability of brainless Christians to properly articulate this principle does not invalidate it.
Cannoli
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Suspension of Disbelief with Politics Dannymac - 05/01/2010 06:46:53 PM 1432 Views
Oh I hear ya! ironclad - 05/01/2010 08:35:38 PM 654 Views
I don't completely agree, but this is similar to everyone retroactively hating Tom Cruise's movies. Zalis - 05/01/2010 08:47:19 PM 686 Views
Which is just as silly, yes. *NM* ironclad - 05/01/2010 08:48:55 PM 313 Views
Who hates Top Gun? That movie R0X0RS! *NM* Tom - 07/01/2010 06:19:48 AM 345 Views
You know, I never understood that LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:28:36 AM 568 Views
What?? Min Rep is fantastic! *NM* ironclad - 07/01/2010 08:19:30 AM 330 Views
*Stands on counter* I am the last Poet Bartender AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 02:08:56 PM 608 Views
I always thought that was just stupid of people (and that includes 3/4 of my family) imlad - 09/01/2010 05:27:41 PM 600 Views
LOL...~hands Dannymac a clue~ damookster - 06/01/2010 04:51:43 AM 808 Views
Just judging him based on what he writes... Dannymac - 06/01/2010 04:17:49 PM 645 Views
the point is... damookster - 06/01/2010 11:25:46 PM 623 Views
talk about needing a clue imlad - 09/01/2010 06:01:14 PM 577 Views
Then read what he writes. I read him every week and he IS a liberal. Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:45:41 PM 570 Views
Wait...I support same-sex marriage. Just not all that other crap. Tom - 07/01/2010 06:18:40 AM 608 Views
trespasses against persons is subjective. LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:09:22 AM 675 Views
Actually, it isn't. Tom - 07/01/2010 03:46:30 PM 575 Views
ah I wasn't aware you were referring to a legal term LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:37:10 PM 606 Views
Considering that it's made-up BS, why should it be? Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:01:31 PM 601 Views
what about those not capable of walking away? LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 03:51:10 AM 526 Views
Who has the right to say a parent is abusing the child, and what prevents abuses the other way? Cannoli - 10/01/2010 09:13:45 AM 762 Views
You are not wrong LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 04:43:55 PM 586 Views
Re: trespasses against persons is subjective. Cannoli - 09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM 625 Views
but it is wrong to deny the legal ramifications of marriage LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 04:19:02 AM 716 Views
Civics & economics 101 Cannoli - 10/01/2010 08:47:07 AM 711 Views
okay, I can agree on your points LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 05:14:32 PM 515 Views
That's not Economics 101. That's practically Anarcho-capitalism. Ghavrel - 13/01/2010 11:54:22 PM 575 Views
Duh. Cannoli - 14/01/2010 03:00:56 AM 597 Views
The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. Ghavrel - 18/01/2010 09:01:07 AM 558 Views
Re: The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing. Cannoli - 18/01/2010 11:57:33 AM 871 Views
Apaprently I misread your earlier post. Very good points. *NM* Ghavrel - 19/01/2010 01:17:01 AM 301 Views
I'll agree to the trespass against persons imlad - 09/01/2010 06:07:29 PM 634 Views
What bullshit you write. Tom - 10/01/2010 01:30:02 AM 545 Views
He's such a parody of himself, one wonders if he's not a fake identity created by rightists. *NM* LiterateDog - 10/01/2010 05:14:31 AM 314 Views
uhm...nothing in nature shares with all. LadyLorraine - 10/01/2010 05:28:04 AM 595 Views
So what you're saying is people shouldn't take movies to heart ? AgentOrange - 06/01/2010 01:39:21 PM 624 Views
That's just the point. Dannymac - 06/01/2010 04:15:48 PM 710 Views
Precisely *NM* ironclad - 06/01/2010 04:45:58 PM 335 Views
indeed. they are not "soldiers" LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:12:32 AM 576 Views
that's a weasel script AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 09:55:13 AM 602 Views
well, it seems like it was less "lazy script writing" LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:38:35 PM 564 Views
huh. Well, my hunch would be AgentOrange - 07/01/2010 10:34:35 PM 693 Views
what makes them "look like military"?? imlad - 09/01/2010 06:15:24 PM 651 Views
arguing the natives as terrorists would be a stretch *NM* LadyLorraine - 09/01/2010 10:39:13 PM 318 Views
guessing you've seen it by now AgentOrange - 10/01/2010 12:48:57 PM 509 Views
AMEN *NM* imlad - 09/01/2010 06:09:27 PM 291 Views
if the foo shits, wear it *NM* imlad - 09/01/2010 06:08:11 PM 347 Views
I completely disagree with you about Avatar. Tom - 06/01/2010 02:18:22 PM 677 Views
would you have felt better if they were albino aliens? LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:16:20 AM 609 Views
You really have a habit of missing the point of my posts in the name of snide remarks. Tom - 07/01/2010 03:47:36 PM 651 Views
Yes well, it's a habit I picked up from the rest of the posters. LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 05:41:51 PM 686 Views
It's just simplistic. Like a Disney movie, but no songs. What really bugs me is that the Company beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:48:32 AM 659 Views
Yeah, I liked The Neverending Story better. Tom - 08/01/2010 01:41:37 PM 588 Views
You know what it is for me... Jeordam - 06/01/2010 07:37:10 PM 694 Views
That's understandable LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:25:23 AM 569 Views
That's totally what it is, hah beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:57:10 AM 702 Views
See...that's where I'm different. Jeordam - 08/01/2010 03:33:30 PM 605 Views
I suppose the lesson is to not read about celebrities' politics? beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 06:22:10 PM 473 Views
But that's kind of the point... Jeordam - 08/01/2010 06:51:05 PM 583 Views
Uh oh, you used the "c" word... Dannymac - 08/01/2010 07:47:40 PM 681 Views
I hate it when you sound like an actual preacher LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:03:28 PM 594 Views
Aw, I liked some of those sentences. Ghavrel - 08/01/2010 11:07:15 PM 536 Views
Isn't that a Bible quote? *NM* Legolas - 09/01/2010 12:33:51 AM 319 Views
I guess maybe from an epistle? *NM* Ghavrel - 09/01/2010 02:44:36 AM 296 Views
Yup, Romans 8:31 Darth_Katie - 09/01/2010 11:36:46 PM 488 Views
it's not that it was bad LadyLorraine - 09/01/2010 01:01:21 AM 646 Views
That seems like a pretty dangerous philosophy. Gher - 09/01/2010 06:24:35 AM 640 Views
Agreed. It also sounds absurd. I have +2 Armor of Christ. How about you? *NM* Tom - 10/01/2010 06:42:24 PM 299 Views
he he *NM* LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:20:26 AM 276 Views
Maybe a little. Dannymac - 11/01/2010 06:06:24 AM 690 Views
I like your philosophy. Thanks for sharing! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/01/2010 03:08:09 PM 267 Views
Ok, so apart from political subtexts, Mad Cow Bomber - 07/01/2010 05:40:28 AM 599 Views
You have to admire the world building though LadyLorraine - 07/01/2010 07:27:13 AM 510 Views
Both of you are more or less right beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 08:59:34 AM 531 Views
He DID write the original screenplay, I thought? LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:04:07 PM 543 Views
And why is it that anyone who can <spoilers!> beetnemesis - 08/01/2010 09:03:45 AM 793 Views
Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. Gher - 08/01/2010 04:59:16 PM 604 Views
You're looking at it from the outsider point of view LadyLorraine - 08/01/2010 10:12:15 PM 579 Views
I don't buy it. Gher - 09/01/2010 06:29:07 AM 608 Views
Especially with the warrior tribe mentality they all have! beetnemesis - 10/01/2010 08:25:57 PM 471 Views
if there were all these hotshot warriors trying LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:22:19 AM 554 Views
Poor scriptwriting *NM* Gher - 11/01/2010 12:56:24 AM 283 Views
oh come on LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 01:00:40 AM 596 Views
Gher's right. It's Plot convinience, with a capital P *NM* AgentOrange - 13/01/2010 09:42:07 PM 285 Views
Re: Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had. ironclad - 09/01/2010 01:27:59 PM 766 Views
It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things beetnemesis - 10/01/2010 08:27:20 PM 772 Views
Re: It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things ironclad - 10/01/2010 08:56:38 PM 543 Views
seriously LadyLorraine - 11/01/2010 12:23:58 AM 512 Views
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