Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM
First, the "bomb from orbit." Why in the world would a transport ship have weapons capabilities? Our space shuttles certainly don't. Maybe this would have been feasible and maybe not, but I don't think it requires much suspension of disbelief to assume "not." And furthermore, it was stated that "a select few humans were allowed to stay." Maybe this means only good guys. Or maybe it includes ten or twenty hostages. Bomb us (just for money, mind you, you're in no danger up there) and you kill your commanders.
Bombing from orbit doesn't require that much in the way of weaponry. Recall the movies "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" and their "chunk of rock from space being exponentially worse than nukes" scenarios. That is the principle behind kinetic energy weapons. You just toss a piece of sufficiently massive matter out the door and if you aim right, you get the same effect as a nuclear weapon. This is not something I made up - it is a common idea in science fiction, called "kinetic energy weapons." And hostages? Really? You think the big profit-hungry corporation is going to let THAT stop them? A KEW strike wouldn't leave enough bits for forensics to contest their assertion that the natives whacked the hostages anyway. And anyway, I am pretty sure it means good guys. The camera showed the fat black guy and the scrawny nerd when it said that, and it showed the corporate boss guy being led off in the line of those being kicked out. So, not hostages.
One few final notes
- The "ridiculously exposed rotors" are less exposed than helicopter rotors which have been used in combat against foes far more technically advanced than the Pandorans for over fifty years.
- Your counter-argument against humans being the underdogs seems to be that humans are just so badass that severe numerical, environmental and physiological handicaps are insufficient to overcome their awesome toughness!
- Your arguments about the capabilities of the corporation to come back again are a little strange. You talk about the prohibitive expense of sending the expedition as if it could be reasonably expected to bankrupt the company, but at the same time seem to think that space travel is so common as to enable companies to blithely send out mining expeditions on other planets without government approval and open assistance! Any company with the wealth to invest in interplanetary mining ventures, genetically engineer avatars & patronize useless scientists on the off-chance they might come up with something interesting, is going to have significant investments in government. If they really are operating on a shoestring, with all of these prohinitively expensive investments being underfinanced gambles hoping for a big return to pay for them, then there must be other, more wealthy and powerful companies capable of learning from the mistakes and going in full bore. If the company is the most wealthy and dominant company in the world, this loss could not have undone them - they have the ability to make so much more money from the technology they demonstrate that this one expedition cannot possibly be their sole or primary hope of income.
- If they can engineer Pandoran life-forms so as to create avatars capable of interacting biologically with the natural ones, how long do you think it would take them to whip up so bioweapons capable of taking care of all those naked savages without risking a single infantryman?
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
"Avatar" discussion thread
17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM
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Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story
17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM
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Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM*
18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM
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Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars?
18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM
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Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM*
18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM
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Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them.
19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM
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Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible
19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM
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Re:Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible
19/12/2009 03:04:37 AM
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Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous.
19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM
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A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway.
20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM
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Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway.
21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM
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It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever.
22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM
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wow, you really do need help
21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM
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If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes?
21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM
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That's uncalled for IMO
25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM
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I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill.
25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM
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I agree with your social commentary about the movie as ideological mirror for Cameron. *NM*
28/12/2009 05:09:56 AM
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Saw it a few hours ago, and enjoyed it more than I thought I would.
20/12/2009 05:14:11 AM
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An absolutely breathtaking film whose beauty is surpassed only by its predictability.
20/12/2009 10:57:53 AM
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Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it??
20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM
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Cannoli, presumably. *NM*
20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM
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Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole.
21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM
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Sci-fi Pocahontas
21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM
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My friend and I spent the whole movie
07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM
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Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me...
07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM
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No way!
07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM
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that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful
07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM
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You're overreacting.
07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM
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You said you do it quietly
07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM
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Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM*
08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM
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Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do
09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM
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As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM*
26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM
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So, a silly thing I found distracting...
29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM
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A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM*
29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM
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Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM*
29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM
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well. it's not necessarily erroneous either.
30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM
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Yes.
03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM
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I believe she was speaking about their tails.
07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM
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If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM*
08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM
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Yep
08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM
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It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM*
29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM
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Wife and I saw it yesterday. We're going to the IMAX a town over to catch it again.
29/12/2009 09:22:01 PM
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Project 880: The Avatar that might have been
31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM
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It just took the double at the Golden Globes.
18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM
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