Active Users:363 Time:03/07/2025 08:30:19 AM
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. Duke Send a noteboard - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM

View original postIt was a bit rushed at the end, and the quest for Luke felt kind of tacked-on. I think if these people were doing Empire, they'd have had Lando and Chewie fly off and arrive at Jabba's palace with Lando trudging across the desert, to enter, presumably to apply for a guard's job, while staring longingly at Han's carbon frozen form. That was one misstep, I felt, solely to include the dramatic turn and appearance of Luke, and to justify all the announcements that Mark Hamill was in it. If they actually HAD to put Hamill in it, they could have had a flashback or something, and save the encounter with Rey for episode VIII.

I agree, I thought that they probably should have just ended the movie with Rey, Chewbacca, and R2 blasting off into space. If they needed Luke, perhaps just his voiceover of "The Force is strong in my family."


Both she and Finn are way more adept with a light saber than anyone who touched one for the first time in this film has any business being. By contrast, Kylo Ren seems like the least competent Dark Side swordsman in the entire series. Even Obi-Wans' and Vader's first/last duel gave more of a sense of competence, as in two great masters who are so good that they only need to use economical feints and movements, and so far removed from the emotional conflict of their previous match-up that they feel no need for strenuous lunges and chops. Kylo Ren just flails around smashing inanimate objects, and killing non-resisting old men, while taking far too long to defeat a powerless stormtrooper and unable to overcome a total tyro.

I think that Kylo Ren's lightsaber skills match well with his character. He's shown multiple times flailing about with his saber trashing computers and the like. It's like a whiny brat with a toy. He doesn't truly understand it, just that he's supposed to have one.


I also wonder how they're going to justify Luke running off to hide instead of dealing with the problems his failure created.

I think that he's very much like Obi-wan in this. "I thought I could train him as well as Master Yoda." In both cases their apprentices fall to the Dark Side, and both leave the galaxy to fend for itself while they hide. Granted Obi-wan was looking over Luke, and thus had a purpose, but I assume Luke does too.

Perhaps he needed to go commune with ancient Jedi. Find old teachings in holocrons; speak to the force ghosts of Obi-wan, Yoda, and the like; meditate and learn first. He never had a full teaching himself, so it's hard to go and teach others. At the end of RoTJ he's still just really a padawan, although claims the title of Jedi.

Reply to message
Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2532 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 881 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1591 Views
I pretty much agree with most of that. - 18/12/2015 01:05:16 PM 1536 Views
Agreed, Driver did a great job..... - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 1379 Views
Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 03:04:37 PM 1495 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 04:35:49 PM 1324 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 05:51:29 PM 1397 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 29/12/2015 04:44:36 AM 1394 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 29/12/2015 07:37:39 PM 1348 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 19/12/2015 05:30:13 PM 1400 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 20/12/2015 09:51:22 AM 1558 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 21/12/2015 06:31:54 PM 1676 Views
The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1474 Views
Re: The books... - 22/12/2015 03:12:52 AM 1403 Views
In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1360 Views
There are books? - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 1401 Views
Re: There are books? - 19/12/2015 05:41:45 PM 1459 Views
So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 1358 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1392 Views
I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 09:47:16 PM 1345 Views
Re: I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1430 Views
Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1339 Views
Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 19/12/2015 06:07:16 PM 1428 Views
I don't think any of that had to be explained. - 19/12/2015 12:16:07 PM 1312 Views
I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 19/12/2015 08:22:21 PM 1434 Views
Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 06:04:43 AM 1507 Views
Re: Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 08:06:40 PM 1309 Views
Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM 1435 Views
Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1591 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:11:30 PM 1441 Views
You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1473 Views
The death (spoilers) - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 1413 Views
Re: You're making me reply to two posts - 29/12/2015 05:24:39 AM 1436 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM 1412 Views
I have tickets for tonight - 18/12/2015 04:47:17 PM 1380 Views
Arbrams impressed me(spoiler free) - 19/12/2015 05:17:42 AM 1511 Views
'Revenge of the Sith' (3rd prequel) was actually a decent movie - 18/12/2015 10:46:52 PM 1428 Views
They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 18/12/2015 11:38:36 PM 1381 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1539 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1365 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1557 Views
people forget they were kids movies *NM* - 19/12/2015 01:17:10 AM 853 Views
Yeah, people take the whole 'Star Wars' thing too seriously - 19/12/2015 02:59:29 AM 1429 Views
BTW, Daniel Craig is totally forgiven for Spectre. He was a Stormtrooper (spoilers for role) - 18/12/2015 11:40:44 PM 1323 Views
Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 837 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 921 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1480 Views
Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1406 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 885 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1436 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1364 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1417 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 882 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1338 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 1212 Views
JJ Abrams' movies are character-driven, Lucas' movies are plot-driven - 30/12/2015 04:38:49 AM 1336 Views
Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1307 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1399 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1731 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1339 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1312 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1353 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1152 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1406 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1276 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1370 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1287 Views
Yeah, Star Wars is just part of the larger trend. It can't be viewed in a vacuum (pun intended). - 05/01/2016 02:38:34 PM 1269 Views
That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1490 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1543 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1416 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1385 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 1368 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 1304 Views
Actually, they do have a major character who is Latino. - 12/01/2016 07:15:31 PM 1358 Views
The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1365 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 2009 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1324 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 1414 Views
It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1376 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 1232 Views
Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 1376 Views
Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 05/01/2016 05:55:51 PM 1338 Views
I don't see how it makes sense to compare their roles, but Finn is certainly plenty strong. - 05/01/2016 07:38:05 PM 1396 Views
Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 02:52:58 PM 1450 Views
Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1353 Views
I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 02:49:44 PM 1334 Views
Re: I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 03:26:34 PM 1386 Views
The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 1309 Views
Sorry, no. - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 1400 Views
What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1286 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1416 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1439 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 1265 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 895 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1310 Views
Of course it is - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 1278 Views
Okay so about the big bad guy *spoilers* - 05/01/2016 06:27:37 PM 1363 Views
I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1375 Views
Re: I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:42:42 PM 1307 Views
What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1703 Views
Re: What speaks against is for me... - 06/01/2016 10:08:35 AM 1468 Views
It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1376 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1470 Views

Reply to Message