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Re: Huh. I was convinced... Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/09/2011 07:26:49 PM
I'm only going by what Joss says in the commentary for the first episode of Angel, on the DVD set. He says that when he first made Buffy, he wanted to put Xander's friend Jessie in the opening credits so that people would be surprised when he died so quickly. But that would have meant making two versions of the credits, and they didn't have the budget for it. So when he started Angel, he made two versions of the credits so that he could kill off a main character and keep people on their toes.

Seems you're right (and in any case Glenn Quinn died more than two years after his exit), Wikipedia has the same story and I can't immediately find where I got the alternative version... somewhere on IMDB, I thought. I still don't find it a good move, though - put the show back almost at square one. And in any case I was never a big fan of Wesley, even after the significant growth he goes through on Angel.
From what I've heard, Carpenter kept her pregnancy a secret from Joss and the cast until it couldn't be hid any longer, and then the writers were forced to do a series of last-minute changes to the season arc to incorporate the pregnancy, ultimately leading to the out-of-left-field sequence that ended the season. I don't think Joss did anything or said anything against her publicly, but all of a sudden she was removed from the show, and only brought back for the closure episode for the fans' sake. Her romance with Angel had been fairly unpopular with fans too, so it's possible they couldn't think of anything good to do with her character at that point either.

It was rather abrupt, yeah. I liked her romance, but I guess a lot of fans think Angel and Buffy shouldn't date anyone but each other, or something. :P
Fred's death broke my heart when I first saw it. I think it was Joss swinging to an "all male" show for the last bit so that it had a dark feel with all the sacrifice and such. Illyria wasn't male of course, but she had a male sort of energy with her accent and her violence and her presence.

Yes... to tell you the truth I'm not a fan of the ending of either series. Even apart from both feeling rushed due to external factors. But then, Wikipedia just tells me that Whedon's planning for Angel season six included Fred returning after all, and poor Amy Acker having to play two major characters at the same time.
Poor Tara. :( It was definitely done for Willow's character development though. But Joss certainly did go for the sudden, brutal, unexpected impact, same as he did with Wash. At least Fred got a whole episode for us to hope they would save her at the last minute.

Yeah, it's just, you know, a shame to sacrifice a fan favourite character just for Willow's character development - as if she never was more than Willow's love interest.
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And you though Joss Whedon was a one-trick pony? An older show by the "Glee" creator.. Cannoli - 21/09/2011 12:16:14 AM 1341 Views
I loved that show. It was my brain candy during university. Rebekah - 21/09/2011 08:13:22 AM 706 Views
Whedon's a one-trick pony? Other than his dialogue writing, he's pretty varied, I'd say beetnemesis - 21/09/2011 03:11:22 PM 744 Views
There is one trick you can accuse Whedon of repeating. Nate - 21/09/2011 04:00:28 PM 848 Views
Angel had Cordy LadyLorraine - 21/09/2011 07:16:59 PM 713 Views
Re: Angel had Cordy TaskmasterJack - 21/09/2011 10:17:27 PM 800 Views
no I'm not counting AFTER Connor LadyLorraine - 22/09/2011 02:24:15 PM 719 Views
well two tricks Yunalesca - 22/09/2011 02:48:49 PM 845 Views
True, in a way. Nate - 22/09/2011 03:43:06 PM 759 Views
spoilers Yunalesca - 22/09/2011 09:52:31 PM 801 Views
I didn't know that, cool. Nate - 22/09/2011 10:10:30 PM 856 Views
well *spoilers* Yunalesca - 22/09/2011 11:13:53 PM 873 Views
Huh. I was convinced... Legolas - 22/09/2011 11:39:04 PM 815 Views
Re: Huh. I was convinced... Nate - 23/09/2011 01:41:15 PM 750 Views
Re: Huh. I was convinced... Legolas - 23/09/2011 07:26:49 PM 805 Views
You take that back right now. CNRedDragon - 28/09/2011 01:52:59 AM 754 Views
Re: And you though Joss Whedon was a one-trick pony? An older show by the "Glee" creator.. dacole - 21/09/2011 06:05:39 PM 766 Views
Chalk another score up for private schools then. Cannoli - 21/09/2011 11:54:09 PM 911 Views
I must have attended the best public schools in the world. Kaldric - 22/09/2011 02:12:25 PM 691 Views
our school was pretty chill too LadyLorraine - 22/09/2011 02:45:04 PM 719 Views
I'm gonna guess the "little" was sarcasm... *NM* Legolas - 22/09/2011 11:40:26 PM 350 Views
Yes. Yes, it was. *NM* Kaldric - 23/09/2011 03:01:54 PM 329 Views
You never know with American schools. *NM* Legolas - 23/09/2011 07:19:42 PM 308 Views
I know of a degree of these problems in private schools as well LadyLorraine - 22/09/2011 02:38:54 PM 693 Views
The Mean Girl comment makes me wonder if coed is the problem. Cannoli - 23/09/2011 12:23:13 AM 793 Views
Yes. Rebekah - 23/09/2011 12:49:08 PM 730 Views
Yah, girls do have a tendency to snipe. LadyLorraine - 23/09/2011 02:04:42 PM 669 Views
That seems a bit exaggerated. Legolas - 23/09/2011 07:32:33 PM 763 Views
My brothers went to an all boys school. That was their experience. *NM* Rebekah - 28/09/2011 08:37:15 AM 343 Views
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