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The "lower" was mostly a joke LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 15/09/2011 01:45:59 AM
Do they ever try to get roles in these french-setting films?


An American studio would have no problem at all casting a movie in France, a great deal of French actors would love (or do love) to play in blockbusters from time to time (especially since there are much fewer big budget/entertainment movies shot in Europe). The studios won't do it because their home market would never go see such a movie not filmed in English (not for a blockbuster, certainly).

Gérard Depardieu - the biggest movie star in France - did a few times play in American movies set in France (including playing Porthos, IRRC, in the awful version of The Men with the Iron Mask Di Caprio was playing the King in), and though he's French, he was cast to play Christopher Colombus in 1492 (in which that casting is considered part of what ruined that movie), and a few other roles in Hollywoodian "period" movies shot in English. It never worked (obviously, aside from the American movies where he played a French character among American characters, like Green Card, that's very different), not the least because he's virtually the only actor playing with a big French accent.

It's not really what I meant, though. I meant filming the whole movie in French and using subtitles. Which of course, Hollywood would never do (at best they do it to an extent when a movie is set in a foreign country, but with American characters - as long as there's not all that much dialogue or they find some device around that, like having most of the foreign characters know English. A concrete example would be Last Samurai).

I know English speakers (and most non-French speakers) don't give a crap (why should they?). I meant that the convention of pretending English is actually French (or German, or whatever), or that American actors are French or German or Italians just doesn't work for a native from those cultures, and that's why personally I just can't watch those movies and I don't bother. It's especially bad in period movies, as most American actors don't have the cultural background for it, and you end up with massive differences in the ways they pretend to be, say, XVIIth century French people.

European movies (often) do this differently. It's far more frequent to hear many languages in European films (even big "commercial" movies) or for a director of one nationality to go film his movie in another country with actors from the country the movie is set in. The Americans rarely do. And I don't say they should, those movies would be big flops in the US.


Because a large portion of the US population never is in the situation where they have to interact directly with someone in another STATE, much less another country. There are huge portions of the population who have never and will never see an international border. It's an entirely different culture in regards to international familiarity. Probably part of our problem on a foreign policy scale too, actually. I guarantee you that if America films did what European films do, not only would the flop but you'd even get some rot about how the production was UnAmerican! The reason why European films can do what they do is because most of Europe is much more flexible and familiar with the presentation of other nations. Hell, you have countries that can't sneeze without falling into other nations!!

I'm not sure exactly what you think Hollywood should do in this situation. You criticize them for making movies people here want to see (As opposed to movies that, to the viewer, would be akin to a magpie chattering at you in a funny hat), but still acknowledge that the movies would flop if they did otherwise?

If you're just saying that you can't enjoy the Three Musketeers because everyone is speaking English and it seems weird to you...I guess I can understand that. But it doesn't make these movies worse than European movies as you appear to be implying.
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