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Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole Send a noteboard - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM
I think it will become a major point and I'm not to sure this fits with the people getting what they deserve. Remember that eventually the starks become pretty evil to, and we only know from the point of view of the winners anything about the old king...can they really be trusted as narrators?

People getting what they deserve is just my hope for the very end of the series I don't see characters like Cersei, Littlefinger, Theon or The Mountain surviving this. You can't write a book series for decades and then have an evil character get away with anything. Martin does a great job hiding it, but in the end he will make the right decisions about who is good and evil.

I also fail to see how the Starks become evil. Caitlyn has her self-righteous moments before and especially after her death, yes, but the kids are all great, even Arya, who is an assassin after all. For me the whole series is based on them getting revenge and redemption for everything that happened to their family in book one. Martin's not gonna stab them in the back anymore towards the end. Bran, Jon, Sansa and Arya are gonna be among the few winners when the dust settles.

It is pretty obvious to me at least that the white walkers can only be defeated by the dragons and Dany will eventually have to become queen, wether she deserves it or not. Her son is the prince that was promised after all.

Definitely. Although I see her teaming up with Jon for it.


I don't know. GRMM is a pretty big atheist and his philosophy seems to go toward the all people are evil just in different degrees. This may end up like the subtle knife with the people who take over later being just as evil just different. As for the starks being evil I refeer to the assisan and what cersi does after her death...I mean I can't wait to see how they are going to do the wedding feast scene in feast of crows..I mean even for HBO the blood count there is pretty high.

It freaked me out when I read it...putting the head of a wolf on a decapitated body...thats pretty grimm

But we will see this season how far they go I guess when Joffery is supposed to show sansa her fathers head...there is going to be so much hate for his little butt soon (where are they filiming this by the way...I wonder if the actor is going to get booed when he walks down the street .
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GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS imlad - 24/05/2011 01:49:47 AM 1670 Views
Re: GoT 1.07 "You Win or You Die" (Early viewers thread) SPOILERS everynametaken - 24/05/2011 03:32:57 AM 1027 Views
Yes, I kind of like Cersei as well..... trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:51:38 AM 874 Views
And who turned Joffrey into that little douche? Legolas - 24/05/2011 11:15:05 PM 1112 Views
Robert? scalius - 25/05/2011 10:04:09 PM 797 Views
his mother... aragornital - 28/05/2011 02:39:40 PM 821 Views
They already are trying to blame her (in the show) nossy - 02/06/2011 02:23:08 PM 817 Views
Holy Crap was that ending perfect....."I did warn you not to trust me" - trzaska2000 - 24/05/2011 04:40:33 AM 878 Views
Strange... This is the first episode that disappointed me A Deathwatch Guard - 30/05/2011 09:09:20 AM 818 Views
I see your point but disagree Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 09:20:23 AM 778 Views
I agree, those scenes were very necessary..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:01:06 PM 640 Views
Hmhm yes and no Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:07:52 PM 776 Views
You know, GRRM likely was very supportive of the scene..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:10:58 PM 683 Views
Maybe, but GRRM isn't God and I allow myself to have a differing opinion *NM* Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:13:14 PM 355 Views
Brothels are a way of life in this epic story and play an important role. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 02:32:25 AM 406 Views
No they don't. Chas - 31/05/2011 11:08:36 PM 717 Views
Apparently you haven't read the books because they are all over in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:45:58 PM 333 Views
Afer reading your profile, you did read the books, but missed all the brothels in them. *NM* everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:47:51 PM 369 Views
I recall the brothels Chas - 01/06/2011 12:56:32 AM 836 Views
It's HBO, it's GRRM, what do you expect? trzaska2000 - 01/06/2011 01:31:51 AM 661 Views
HBO has made some fantastic shows. Chas - 01/06/2011 10:39:44 PM 667 Views
The stuff Littlefinger said was really important and needed to be in there. Darth_Katie - 04/06/2011 07:13:41 PM 714 Views
Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 05:03:40 PM 684 Views
What I remember from the books.....SPOILERS Bramhodoulos - 30/05/2011 05:11:27 PM 696 Views
Re: Question about Tywin/the books.....SPOILERS Chas - 31/05/2011 11:15:37 PM 691 Views
Agreed! Another awesome epside! ironclad - 30/05/2011 10:04:59 PM 960 Views
One other thing to think/worry about..... trzaska2000 - 30/05/2011 11:04:47 PM 757 Views
You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? ironclad - 30/05/2011 11:59:39 PM 728 Views
Re: You can't stay away from spoilers, can you? dacole - 31/05/2011 05:49:33 AM 661 Views
There will be lots of white-walker stuff in season 3 (spoilers in case you don't get it) Bramhodoulos - 31/05/2011 08:54:13 AM 884 Views
You make an interesting point *future spoilers* ironclad - 31/05/2011 10:47:29 AM 819 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* imlad - 31/05/2011 01:21:06 PM 764 Views
Wow, that would be a bitching ending..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:29:49 PM 662 Views
If imlad is right, I am pretty sure.. ironclad - 31/05/2011 04:38:32 PM 686 Views
heh? everynametaken - 31/05/2011 11:50:10 PM 762 Views
I figure there is a way out of that imlad - 01/06/2011 12:01:08 PM 621 Views
Re: heh? Chas - 01/06/2011 10:41:47 PM 625 Views
Re: You make an interesting point *future spoilers* dacole - 01/06/2011 02:50:26 AM 842 Views
Yup, love my spoilers! trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:25:34 PM 589 Views
I've been thinking about that nossy - 02/06/2011 02:33:30 PM 707 Views
The problem I have with it is the heavy handedness of some scenes snoopcester - 31/05/2011 12:14:13 PM 729 Views
Is that because you know the books/story..... trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 04:27:38 PM 656 Views
It might be snoopcester - 31/05/2011 04:37:03 PM 735 Views
Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above A Deathwatch Guard - 31/05/2011 07:17:34 PM 676 Views
Re: Agreed, and this is probably the cause, at least in part, of a lot of my complaints above snoopcester - 31/05/2011 08:58:44 PM 626 Views
What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? trzaska2000 - 31/05/2011 09:19:18 PM 662 Views
Re: What did Littlefinger do in the book.....how did the final scene of the episode go down? Chas - 31/05/2011 11:13:35 PM 692 Views
Baelish did put a dagger to Ned's throat imlad - 01/06/2011 12:06:42 PM 651 Views
I stand corrected. *NM* Chas - 01/06/2011 10:35:49 PM 355 Views
Ah, my mistake... kinda A Deathwatch Guard - 01/06/2011 03:58:46 AM 669 Views
haha nossy - 02/06/2011 02:34:43 PM 840 Views
I assume at some point they are going to tie the two story lines together? random thoughts - 01/06/2011 02:43:12 PM 595 Views
Well....(small spoiler) scalius - 01/06/2011 04:39:47 PM 667 Views
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