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Ouch.... DomA Send a noteboard - 18/04/2011 09:59:28 PM
Was the fact that I was watching it at a friends house in HD. This was my first experience watching a show (played video games on it it though) in HD and it just looked oddly TOO REAL. Sure, it is crystal clear and all, but it felt like I was watching from the viewpoint of the "making of" camera that was filming from behind the big cameras. Or like I was watching a daytime soap opera. Although, I should mention that after the show I discovered that my friend has the brightness on his TV set pretty high, which might account for some of the wierdness the image had for me. Leaving me unsure if I like HD or not for shows, or just for gaming.

Like most HBO shows, it is a visual delight. This is the kind of thing I would watch many times because it's just so pretty.


So that Soap Opera look or "making of feel" is a product of LCD/LED tvs falsely creating a 120hrtz or greater picture. What is really happening is the TV taking a 60 hrtz picture and it is guessing the missing half of the images from frame to frame and that is why people look so false.


Not really.

All the 120 vs. 60 setting really affects is your TV display refresh rate. The TV never extrapolates anything - any image interpolation is done in postproduction (when something is shot @ 24 fps and edited for broadcast in 59,94 fps).

What you described is rather the difference between a show shot in interlaced video @ 29,97 fps (59,94 fps) where half the image (every other scanline) is displayed first, then the other half (how this is handled by the screen is what the 120 vs. 60 setting affects) versus footage shot in progressive video (23,976 fps, aka 24p) where both halves of a frame are identical (aka full frame video), except 1 frame every 4, which is interpolated (an automatic merging of the frame before and after) and interlaced. It's called "pulldown" in the trade, and its purpose is to convert 24 fps to 30 fps).

Picture looks sharper in 24p (especially when paused), but movements, especially fast ones, look far more fluid in 59,94 fps. Most high scale fiction is shot in 24p (just like movies), edited and finished in 24p, then transferred with added pulldown for 59,94 fps interlaced broadcast. A great deal of TV shows (live stuff, non fuiction and so on) is shot directly in 59,94 fps. This is what your 60 vs. 120 setting is for.

The picture looking too sharp/too clean has nothing to do with that, it's just a matter of getting used to HD definition and look (and the brightness etc.), especially acute for people who switch from SD to full HD. After a while, you get used to it and the old SD TV look like crap.

In post, we dirty up the image (add noise, crunch the colors etc.) to avoid the "too sharp" effect, but if people have a less than ideal color set up on their TV, it makes things worse instead.


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Game of Thrones - Episode 1: Official discussion thread - 17/04/2011 11:04:49 AM 3057 Views
i'm going to start off with.... - 17/04/2011 04:08:12 PM 1364 Views
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I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: - 18/04/2011 06:33:44 AM 1151 Views
Dany's wedding night did not end with a smile.... - 18/04/2011 07:08:38 AM 1168 Views
Hmm. - 18/04/2011 07:47:44 AM 1077 Views
I think you're pretty close to remembering correctly - 19/04/2011 02:28:06 AM 1036 Views
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I see it differently. - 19/04/2011 05:11:25 AM 940 Views
Re: I see it differently. - 19/04/2011 02:16:42 PM 851 Views
Re: I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: - 18/04/2011 08:09:05 AM 1030 Views
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So you were definitly watching it on a LCD or LED tv with 120hrtz or greater.....they are poopy - 18/04/2011 08:52:29 AM 1022 Views
so, will I have this problem watching the Hobbit next year? - 18/04/2011 07:17:58 PM 849 Views
Hard to say. - 18/04/2011 09:44:13 PM 1003 Views
Ouch.... - 18/04/2011 09:59:28 PM 966 Views
I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. - 19/04/2011 03:22:46 AM 1146 Views
Re: I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. - 19/04/2011 02:29:30 PM 907 Views
As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. - 19/04/2011 03:53:34 PM 1034 Views
I've gotta butt in - 19/04/2011 04:46:28 PM 879 Views
The more, the merrier. - 19/04/2011 05:26:29 PM 1023 Views
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INFERIASMA! - 19/04/2011 07:25:45 PM 690 Views
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Re: As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. - 20/04/2011 12:24:25 AM 876 Views
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Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms. - 20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM 862 Views
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One question that can be seen in the preview - 18/04/2011 06:55:16 AM 1046 Views
I wondered at this too - 18/04/2011 07:26:15 PM 873 Views
Re: I wondered at this too - 18/04/2011 08:21:07 PM 916 Views
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A good start! - 18/04/2011 02:08:45 PM 1095 Views
you're not entirely wrong - 19/04/2011 02:40:45 AM 966 Views
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I agree - 19/04/2011 08:12:18 AM 908 Views
Re: I agree - 19/04/2011 02:23:18 PM 992 Views
Demonstrating that beauty is subjective, I strongly disagree - 23/04/2011 09:20:08 PM 1068 Views
It was certainly good, but some disappointment too - 19/04/2011 07:53:30 AM 1152 Views
That was very good, but... - 19/04/2011 08:17:02 AM 1056 Views
Actually, I have never read the books..... - 19/04/2011 05:07:29 PM 976 Views
Good to know *NM* - 19/04/2011 05:32:56 PM 471 Views
A friend.... - 19/04/2011 07:32:05 PM 915 Views
so having watched it - 19/04/2011 09:13:44 AM 763 Views
A couple of early impressions... - 19/04/2011 07:55:04 PM 1201 Views
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Entirely possible - 20/04/2011 04:17:28 PM 848 Views
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My take - 23/04/2011 06:50:47 PM 869 Views

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