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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM
Could it be that the jacket Doctor will save "our" Doctor in some way? Can the theory still be salvaged?

Sure - it would explain who has been messing with the Tardis all series.


Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?

No, Rory was a Nestene Auton, as were the rest of the Romans. We saw Amy shot - not the same as dead, perhaps... and it is worth bearing in mind for everything seen in this episode that a theme for this series that what is seen is rarely the reality.


I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.

I liked the Rory bit - it was too obvious it was him when it showed the Woman soldier volunteering.


Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P
And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.

I didn't think it had actually exploded yet, just that it was on the verge of doing so. I presume that River Song still had her time travel device so was about to leap away... which leaves time for Doctor Mk 2 (assuming there is one) to unrig it and toddle off.

Quite a few things were thrown out there in this episode - Amy Pond is at the centre of a lot. Why did the Tardis go to her home? Why is it all seeming centred around her wedding, even though Rory is seemingly written from time? The Doctor also made an interesting comment about her house - something about it having too many rooms for the size of it. Strange girl from a strange house where nothing is what it first seems.


Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.

The Doctor also seems to know he is skipping over important things, because he actually said so when he talked about the Amy centred strangeness.


Indeed.

The Tardis is an interesting one as well - the Baddies think they have got the Doctor worked out and trapped him. They also think the Doctor is the only person who can fly the Tardis - either they are right and River Song merely thought she was (Doctor Mk 2 made it look like she was) or they're just showing they don't know him and what abilities he has/ hasn't half as well as they think.


Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.

Over all though, I think it all goes back to Amy Pond and her mind... and the Doctor knows more than he is letting on - I wonder if his duck pond comment was a reference to the change from Amelia to Amy. She might now be Amy (after having grown up in a very dubious house with an absent aunt), like the duck pond is now just a pond, but she is still Amelia Pond to the Doctor, like the pond is a duck pond to the locals.


Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 2782 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1407 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1406 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1325 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1362 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 1360 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1293 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 1621 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 884 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1333 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1286 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 1396 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1328 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1360 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1485 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 1413 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 1432 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1282 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 1422 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 1483 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 1382 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 1420 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1326 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1424 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 1440 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 1374 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 1446 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1253 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:50:47 PM 1366 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 1394 Views
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Re: Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:21:33 PM 1354 Views
snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:01:29 AM 1423 Views
The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1328 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1399 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1299 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 1406 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 1396 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1373 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 882 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1290 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1393 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1381 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 1413 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 1461 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1283 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 1479 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 1369 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 1477 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1293 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1328 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1264 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1320 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1261 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 1324 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1264 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1226 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1364 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1273 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1265 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1279 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1122 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1269 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1371 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 1474 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1363 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1384 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1276 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1338 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1237 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1293 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1222 Views
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Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:44:01 PM 1237 Views
I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1293 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 1457 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1294 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1341 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1428 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1530 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1305 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1196 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1354 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 929 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1229 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 1377 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 1361 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1236 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1249 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1311 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1352 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1351 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 872 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1265 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1301 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1301 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1289 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1253 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1307 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1477 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1351 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1300 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1260 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1220 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1275 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1273 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1251 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 1337 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1229 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1327 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1361 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1345 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1388 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1267 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1243 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1136 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 872 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 876 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1309 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1330 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1312 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1324 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1311 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1391 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1259 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1279 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1273 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1402 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1266 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1418 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1496 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1298 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1239 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1204 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1281 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1215 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1260 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1276 Views
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