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Re: I am pretty happy DomA Send a noteboard - 24/05/2010 11:02:20 PM
I am just not sure how to read Keamy's and Mikail's appearances earlier this season, then.


Keamy was probably a fake Keamy Jin and/or Sayid brought into the Sideways, like Aaron, like Jack's son, and quite possibly Rousseau, Alex, Nadja etc. Clearly, both of them still had issues/regrets to have failed to deal with Keamy on the boat, and all that happened as a result. I think Sayid wanted to see the good that came out of his final sacrifice too (ie: Jin and Sun happy together), so he got a less tragic chance to save Jin and Sun, and Jin got a chance to save Sun in a way that didn't end in tragedy. He also got to share the moment when Sun saw Ji Yeon for the first time, which probably was a huge regret for both of them, as Sun hid her pregnancy from him at the time on the Island.


I don't get why Jack made it out of the cave, if whatever happened there killed him. I guess they just did that to round up the show with him among the bamboo.


I'm guessing the full circle effect was indeed one of their motivations for that scene (which worked great). As for the rationale, Jack was thrown out pretty much on the spot the body of MIB was found by Jacob. I'm guessing we're supposed to understand "the light" deposed Jack there and it had deposed MIB's shell after Smokey stole his soul, and this becomes the second motivation behind that scene: to show that something is different and killing Locke wasn't meaningless, that for entering the Light Jack did not become another smoke monster. He was pure, or maybe Evil was for now destroyed (I begin to see the evil energy the light protected from as something that acccumulates over time, like a charge, and it's the evil/bad/tainted parts the souls leave behind as they rejoin the Light - what made me think of this is how the "doomed" earhbound souls who refuse to enter the Light now and must face their mistakes to move on, like Michael, used to be attracted to Smokey a lot - they were often heard when he was around. By throwing MIB in, Jacob allowed this evil energy to incarnate itself and get out). Whatever Jack and Desmond did, it seems to have " sent all evil safely back underneath the cork, so all that remained was MIB-in-Locke, no longer with any supernatural power (significantly, he never turned into Smokey after that).

I also like how somewhat random the real survivors of the actual main plot are. I suppose a lot of people expected Miles and Ben to die after all, or Sawyer to sacrifice himself.


I really enjoyed that and the other surprises through the finale. For the most part, plotwise it really didn't went as expected, except for a few details. (and I should have stuck to my hunch about Hugo (which I had dismissed completely).

Erm...what exactly happened to the other Oceanic 815 people who should probably have been time-flashing like Rose and Bernard? Were they all dead by now? Just a little thing that irks me.


I'm guessing some of them might live like Rose and Bernard, only elsewhere. Some of the last nameless survivors had regrouped with Locke and the others and got killed at the Temple by MIB, and others were among his followers that Widmore killed with his mortar attacks.

I really liked the Rose/Bernard touch (I had lost track of them, to be honest, and wondered when they had died). I love how it's all implied subtly that they'll become part of the Island's next mythology. For a while, they'll be hermits à la Rousseau on the island.

Another thing I liked a lot was how they chose to imply that Jacob's beliefs, powers and methods were his own, and a reflect of who he was, and when he lived and how he understood/saw the Light. Mom's magic involved sorcery and spells etc., Jacob's was already lot more mystical with some remnants of early shamanism, and he made rules like a game, and imposed them to those who would follow him (we're left to believe Jacob had forbidden Ben to kill Widmore, simply enough, and by inviting Ben to kill him Widmore knew if Ben did he lost the island for good). Hugo's far more likely to be a benevolent hodge-podge of christianism, Star Wars and other similar stuff he caught on TV and comics. And Jack probably wouldn't have developped any power to speak of at all unless his worldview and beliefs changed a lot, because he didn't believe in mystical forces at all (I think this may be why Jacob's magic, like his gift to Richard, vanished while Jack was guardian).

And I really, really loved where they went with Ben in the finale. That was a fantastic, and credible, ending for him, down to the fact he feels he still has issues to face and don't join the group at the end, which was a good reflect of all the errors he needs to face. I also loved that moment where they toyed with us again, and made the guardianship within his reach after he witnessed how it's done - he just had to manipulate Hugo, who was quite distressed, into making him the guardian - but instead Ben redeemed himself and abandonned his greed and jealousy for real). I really loved how the group saved him from under the tree (a sign they considered him redeemed too), and I really loved how Hugo asked for his help, and the light on Ben's face when he did. Emerson was really spectacular in all the phases and states of Ben in this series - I really hope to see him in some major part again soon.

My only minor gripe might be the abruptness with which the long standing Widmore/Ben story arc ended, though the senselessness of it all makes sense in the context of the show. I would have liked something a bit more momenteous, I guess, but then it seems I had imagined there was more behind it then their rivalry to be the leader of Jacob's followers, and the big void losing the Island had left in Widmore's life and which turned into his obsession. I presume that like Ben, Widmore fitted Jacob's pattern of a loner who had not much to hang to in his life.
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What a great ending! (LOST) *spoilers of course* - 24/05/2010 04:30:08 AM 2335 Views
I loved it until the last ten minutes, which I will try to forget. *NM* - 24/05/2010 04:31:53 AM 572 Views
It's true the 2 hr lead in was more powerful and compelling... - 24/05/2010 04:36:28 AM 1197 Views
It had to be resolved. I just don't like the answer. *NM* - 24/05/2010 04:56:01 AM 589 Views
What did you think/hope the side-universe was? *NM* - 24/05/2010 05:01:20 AM 559 Views
Would somebody please explain the ending to me..... - 24/05/2010 04:37:36 AM 1019 Views
Re: Would somebody please explain the ending to me..... - 24/05/2010 05:06:48 AM 1198 Views
Great explanation.....and Matthew Fox just said..... - 24/05/2010 05:15:21 AM 1257 Views
I wonder about the same too ((EDIT: oops, shoulda read the responses first)) - 24/05/2010 06:25:53 AM 1093 Views
In short, Desmond.... - 24/05/2010 07:10:45 AM 1206 Views
Desmond met with Hurley and encouraged him, remember? - 26/05/2010 07:21:42 PM 931 Views
I'm overall very happy with the finale - 24/05/2010 04:47:03 AM 1108 Views
One thing I do like - 24/05/2010 04:59:42 AM 1077 Views
Re: One thing I do like - 24/05/2010 08:16:40 PM 1018 Views
Ha! One final scene with Bernard and Rose was awesome! *NM* - 25/05/2010 03:17:49 AM 538 Views
A question from someone who stopped. - 24/05/2010 05:18:17 AM 1172 Views
Re: A question from someone who stopped. - 24/05/2010 05:26:02 AM 1090 Views
How far did you get into Season 3? - 24/05/2010 06:37:29 AM 1103 Views
Go watch and stay away from this thread NOW! Camilla too! - 24/05/2010 09:13:14 PM 1156 Views
Regrets... - 24/05/2010 07:15:46 AM 1118 Views
Re: Regrets... - 24/05/2010 01:26:16 PM 1159 Views
I think Eloise was probably "real" as well - 25/05/2010 09:56:53 AM 1053 Views
Re: I think Eloise was probably "real" as well - 25/05/2010 12:03:02 PM 1087 Views
I feel those issues are far more related to Eloise than they are to Daniel and Desmond - 25/05/2010 03:15:13 PM 1007 Views
But... - 29/05/2010 12:32:07 PM 1014 Views
Re: Regrets... - 25/05/2010 10:02:35 PM 1048 Views
Sideline Aaron isn't a person, he's just a baby - basically a prop for their happy reunion - 24/05/2010 02:54:42 PM 863 Views
Re Jack's Kid... - 26/05/2010 07:27:21 PM 1181 Views
so - 24/05/2010 09:49:58 AM 1112 Views
Well... - 24/05/2010 01:46:32 PM 1233 Views
What a clever attempt to manipulate viewers into overlooking the pointlessness of much of the story! - 24/05/2010 03:03:36 PM 1196 Views
But, I think you misunderstand... - 24/05/2010 04:46:41 PM 1084 Views
No, you misunderstand my position - 24/05/2010 06:33:58 PM 1125 Views
Do you hate everything? - 29/05/2010 01:11:05 AM 895 Views
Loved it! *NM* - 24/05/2010 06:41:17 PM 658 Views
It was a good ending. *NM* - 24/05/2010 07:08:30 PM 593 Views
I am pretty happy - 24/05/2010 09:50:11 PM 1113 Views
Re: I am pretty happy - 24/05/2010 11:02:20 PM 1170 Views
Re: I am pretty happy - 24/05/2010 11:12:14 PM 1011 Views
MiB's body drifted out of the Light Cavern. - 25/05/2010 05:59:28 AM 976 Views
I'm not ashamed to say.... - 25/05/2010 12:03:22 AM 1086 Views
This is how I explain it to people still confused by the finale... - 25/05/2010 02:15:30 AM 928 Views
Precisely - 25/05/2010 08:11:53 AM 865 Views
Re: Precisely - 25/05/2010 12:43:34 PM 978 Views
Re: Precisely - 26/05/2010 12:37:31 AM 1002 Views
Umm.... I cried. - 25/05/2010 03:29:40 AM 935 Views
I liked it. A lot - 25/05/2010 04:17:07 AM 1137 Views
Great ending. - 25/05/2010 06:00:42 AM 1029 Views
Great LA Times article about the last episode - 25/05/2010 01:59:50 PM 1045 Views
I think the ending was superb - 25/05/2010 06:11:15 PM 1434 Views
Re: I think the ending was superb - 26/05/2010 08:45:14 AM 1030 Views
Personally... - 26/05/2010 10:57:07 AM 1237 Views
It's funny. - 27/05/2010 06:00:20 AM 996 Views
De plane, bozz! De plane! - 25/05/2010 09:01:22 PM 879 Views
ABC admits to accidentally screwing over final moments of the episode. - 25/05/2010 11:39:38 PM 1056 Views
Ahh. - 27/05/2010 06:10:52 AM 1091 Views
It was enjoyable. - 26/05/2010 12:45:37 AM 1090 Views
I think... - 26/05/2010 09:32:17 AM 1179 Views
What did Smokey do for all those centuries, trapped on the island? - 26/05/2010 08:50:05 AM 892 Views
*NM* - 26/05/2010 09:30:15 AM 464 Views
The final reveal annoyed me a bit, but anything would have. But what about the unanswered questions? - 26/05/2010 06:21:20 PM 1088 Views
Pretty entertaining. - 26/05/2010 10:33:53 PM 1004 Views
Dom has answers for most of those - 26/05/2010 10:58:55 PM 935 Views
So - 27/05/2010 11:53:02 AM 1335 Views
My initial reaction was, 'what the hell was that?' - 26/05/2010 11:40:14 PM 1185 Views
Life with Hurley and Ben on the island - 27/05/2010 10:33:22 PM 954 Views
Nice! *NM* - 27/05/2010 11:02:59 PM 467 Views
At least he won't be repeatedly beaten up now. *NM* - 27/05/2010 11:10:33 PM 481 Views
At least not once Desmond leaves. *NM* - 28/05/2010 12:08:12 AM 475 Views
JUST WATCHED IT. - 29/05/2010 01:02:43 AM 876 Views
I shouldn't here! - 05/06/2010 04:28:17 PM 953 Views

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