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Re: Your logic isn't terrible... Isaac Send a noteboard - 02/02/2010 05:42:43 PM
but honestly, to me, it seems like you might be overcompensating for those quotes. That very well could have been your reasoning but somehow I doubt you put that much thought into a few lines like that.


You find it surprising that someone you know has extensive training as a mathemetician tends to break things down as stats? ;) I mean, it's not like I don't do this every game, sometimes I give the detailed breakdown, sometimes I just offer the answer, since 50/50 is derived just from pointing out that in a solid WIFOM both options are equally likely, there wasn't much to derive and solve for.

I mean, I personally always start everyone off as 50/50. They could be either light or dark. It doesn't depend on how many players there are. I'm going to let it lie for now, though, cause this is all perspectives.


Well, thing is, if you think everyone is 50/50, it's not 'we both have our own equally correct way of looking at things' cse, you're simply wrong. We have never had a game where the anti-town component has been anywhere near 50%, I tihk the highest was 40% in yuna's, 10 players, 3 DFs and one SK, 4/10, last game it was 4/15, normally it's around 25-33%. If you mean to say 'everyone has an equal chance of being guilty' well that's true, they have an equal chance, and it's probably 30% in this game. While we never really do it specifically this way, since hunch, vibe and intuition play such a role but can not be easily expressed mathematically, ultimately, barring ulterior motives, people vote for the person they think has the highest probability of being a DF.

I do, however, agree that at this point, if it comes to random lynch, FT should be our target.


Everyone seems to agree FT is suspicious, and many seem to think he should be the eventual lynchee barring the emergence of a better candidate, how then am I more suspicious for having also stated this?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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Rafo Mafia 4: Day 1 has ended. - 27/01/2010 05:53:50 PM 3134 Views
Message received! - 27/01/2010 06:27:15 PM 1347 Views
By lynching Isaac! - 27/01/2010 06:48:02 PM 1242 Views
Ready to go. *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:36:35 PM 794 Views
Got it! *NM* - 27/01/2010 06:43:59 PM 778 Views
Got mine. Wow, we really have nothing to go on, do we? *NM* - 27/01/2010 07:03:28 PM 768 Views
For reals, it doesn't get much more minimal than that! *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:16:44 PM 797 Views
This is a confirmation of the prompt receival of said role message. - 27/01/2010 08:30:45 PM 1268 Views
You made it up - 27/01/2010 09:01:31 PM 1227 Views
Hmm ... - 27/01/2010 09:21:59 PM 1313 Views
Ha. - 28/01/2010 01:28:27 AM 1156 Views
It sounds like a real word. - 28/01/2010 01:55:58 AM 1240 Views
That's because it sounds like "retrieval" - 28/01/2010 02:01:47 AM 1205 Views
This is true. *NM* - 28/01/2010 02:17:52 AM 811 Views
Also 'reception'. - 28/01/2010 01:22:27 AM 1216 Views
I got mine. *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:00:49 PM 772 Views
ready to win *NM* - 27/01/2010 09:29:52 PM 844 Views
I got mine!! *NM* - 27/01/2010 10:45:45 PM 795 Views
Here, received *NM* - 27/01/2010 11:01:43 PM 769 Views
Got it!! - 27/01/2010 11:34:57 PM 1185 Views
Got it - 28/01/2010 01:59:00 AM 1299 Views
yup *NM* - 28/01/2010 05:13:37 AM 764 Views
You know, I'm still irritated we haven't been able to come up with a good R1 system - 28/01/2010 07:08:22 AM 1190 Views
R1? - 28/01/2010 01:59:45 PM 1243 Views
Day 1 - 28/01/2010 02:29:42 PM 1231 Views
Right, Day 1, I meant to type D1... - 28/01/2010 05:52:57 PM 1194 Views
Well, lacking anything else... - 28/01/2010 11:58:25 PM 1342 Views
I haven't the faintest idea what they mean. - 29/01/2010 01:30:19 AM 1270 Views
I'm guessing they're an acronym. *NM* - 29/01/2010 01:44:37 AM 811 Views
I got letters and/or numbers - 29/01/2010 01:58:52 AM 1357 Views
Not really - 29/01/2010 02:27:05 AM 1307 Views
Let's try something - 29/01/2010 02:47:30 AM 1220 Views
Re: Let's try something - 29/01/2010 03:07:36 AM 1197 Views
alrighty then - 29/01/2010 03:29:51 AM 1277 Views
That's sufficient, thanks - 29/01/2010 03:48:11 AM 1137 Views
Yea, my message has all that. - 29/01/2010 03:56:52 AM 1290 Views
Probably - 29/01/2010 04:10:42 AM 1199 Views
Re: Probably - 29/01/2010 07:30:48 AM 1154 Views
True- most DFs would wait a bit, and be like the 4th or 5th to jump in - 29/01/2010 08:19:43 AM 1227 Views
I've got MPD - 29/01/2010 04:22:00 AM 1245 Views
Surprise, surprise: I do too. - 29/01/2010 06:21:04 AM 1208 Views
Remember when we killed the Serial Killer on Day 1? That was fun. Let's do that! *NM* - 29/01/2010 08:20:24 AM 765 Views
GREAT. - 29/01/2010 11:23:06 PM 1183 Views
Seconded. - 30/01/2010 03:46:21 AM 1229 Views
I have MPD and number under 14. *NM* - 29/01/2010 06:18:59 AM 834 Views
Me too, but... - 29/01/2010 04:04:35 PM 1206 Views
I doubt there is anything else. - 29/01/2010 11:09:02 PM 1284 Views
I have MPD and number under 14 as well - 29/01/2010 08:08:57 PM 1238 Views
MPD #1 - 30/01/2010 02:57:35 AM 1142 Views
I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia - 30/01/2010 04:14:17 AM 1207 Views
Re: I like to think of the first kill as a sacrifice to the Gods of Mafia - 30/01/2010 04:27:53 AM 1193 Views
High priests cannot be sacrificed! - 30/01/2010 04:53:38 PM 1153 Views
Ha, that's what YOU think. - 30/01/2010 05:15:44 PM 1201 Views
Some cultures, they make the best sacrifices - 30/01/2010 05:47:46 PM 1234 Views
Hm... let's rule out F&R, too - 30/01/2010 06:46:27 PM 1279 Views
This is sort of what I mean - 30/01/2010 08:02:17 PM 1139 Views
I think I am most suspicious of Blaine right now - 30/01/2010 07:49:03 PM 1201 Views
Yeah, silence isn't neccessarily damning in this case - 30/01/2010 11:15:09 PM 1155 Views
I want to roleclaim. - 30/01/2010 07:08:11 PM 1218 Views
That is, well, surprising - 30/01/2010 08:28:04 PM 1287 Views
Yeah, but I think it's best to do it now. - 30/01/2010 09:38:49 PM 1170 Views
That sounds like solid reasoning to me - 30/01/2010 10:07:05 PM 1243 Views
It is good reasoning. - 30/01/2010 11:24:31 PM 1139 Views
RBIRL for the next week or so. - 01/02/2010 01:02:48 AM 1287 Views
Wrong place - 01/02/2010 01:06:57 AM 1137 Views
this is an odd development - 30/01/2010 09:19:03 PM 1233 Views
Not to my knowledge, no. *NM* - 30/01/2010 09:35:02 PM 720 Views
Hm. I wonder if we're all robots inside of a Mafia simulator. *NM* - 30/01/2010 11:20:25 PM 706 Views
There's an idea. - 30/01/2010 11:25:56 PM 1191 Views
AI gone rogue could easily be an SK... *NM* - 31/01/2010 12:42:19 AM 691 Views
Goddamn, do I hate Miller roles. - 31/01/2010 12:39:32 AM 1320 Views
Well, I'm back... - 31/01/2010 01:43:17 AM 1222 Views
Why do fencers keep appearing without me knowing of it?!? - 31/01/2010 02:48:22 AM 1233 Views
Sabre... - 31/01/2010 03:18:12 AM 1239 Views
HELL YEAH! - 31/01/2010 08:39:52 AM 1255 Views
Oh, and I had my first real tournament today... - 31/01/2010 03:23:45 AM 1237 Views
Huzzah! - 31/01/2010 04:41:02 AM 1212 Views
How about a club with a nail in it? - 31/01/2010 05:50:18 AM 1197 Views
Eh. Just don't listen to Issac too much. - 31/01/2010 04:47:53 AM 1193 Views
I wanna say F-T, just cause I hate Millers. - 31/01/2010 05:10:07 AM 1184 Views
But do you think a DF would try something that DFs already did in the game we just played? - 31/01/2010 05:53:24 AM 1213 Views
And on a third hand... - 31/01/2010 07:00:22 AM 1290 Views
So... back to neutral. *NM* - 31/01/2010 03:27:58 PM 658 Views
You don't find that statement dubious? - 31/01/2010 04:14:47 PM 1195 Views
Yeah, that's a bit fishy. *NM* - 31/01/2010 04:18:17 PM 704 Views
Yeah it is... - 31/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 1270 Views
You make a fair point. - 31/01/2010 04:38:44 PM 1243 Views
I knew Yunalseca was a Darkfriend... - 31/01/2010 07:17:33 PM 1174 Views
Everyone! Deep breaths... - 31/01/2010 11:50:39 PM 1183 Views
That's a pretty big thing to forget though. - 01/02/2010 01:39:44 AM 1157 Views
Re: That's a pretty big thing to forget though. - 01/02/2010 01:59:16 AM 1192 Views
Who said anything about forgetting? - 01/02/2010 02:53:49 AM 1225 Views
It brings you protection from guilty Cop results. *NM* - 01/02/2010 03:01:22 AM 843 Views
And among that, - 01/02/2010 04:54:26 AM 1272 Views
No... - 01/02/2010 06:25:07 AM 1218 Views
Man... I hate defending people I'm not sure about - 01/02/2010 07:14:13 AM 1214 Views
I agree with beet here. - 01/02/2010 07:42:12 AM 1176 Views
Offer alternatives then - 01/02/2010 11:18:47 AM 1233 Views
I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games - 01/02/2010 02:23:26 PM 1220 Views
Oh, that's what you're talking about. *NM* - 01/02/2010 12:27:30 PM 725 Views
I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 05:55:11 AM 1251 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 03:34:10 PM 1243 Views
Tracker is a role that sees who his target performs a Night Action on... - 31/01/2010 03:49:24 PM 1096 Views
Idk what all this talk about a Tracker is over. - 31/01/2010 04:17:17 PM 1130 Views
I was the one who said it. - 31/01/2010 04:39:53 PM 1226 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 04:19:33 PM 1180 Views
Re: I agree, more or less - 31/01/2010 07:41:07 PM 1174 Views
That's a standard Miller. - 31/01/2010 07:46:33 PM 1214 Views
The reason people say I should die... - 31/01/2010 07:40:38 PM 1270 Views
I don't think Gher made a lot of changes. - 31/01/2010 04:23:42 PM 1289 Views
Eh. I think this is going to end like Hopper. - 31/01/2010 11:58:52 PM 1186 Views
What I don't like is the fact that Millers are often not told they're Millers. - 01/02/2010 12:08:14 AM 1211 Views
Well, he could still be Mafia and have appropriate flavor. - 01/02/2010 01:46:58 AM 1208 Views
I'm just trying to take everything into account. - 01/02/2010 02:33:15 AM 1187 Views
I know, I'm just sayin' *NM* - 01/02/2010 02:53:31 AM 742 Views
We can't just lynch Isaac on the off chance that he might be a DF. - 31/01/2010 05:42:08 AM 1213 Views
Sure we could - 31/01/2010 05:26:43 PM 1191 Views
Alright, from my reading, - 31/01/2010 10:53:52 PM 1204 Views
I don't think we should reveal numbers yet - 01/02/2010 12:05:07 AM 1067 Views
Yeah, number revelation would probably not be the best thing... - 01/02/2010 12:19:49 AM 1218 Views
RBIRL for the next week or so - 01/02/2010 01:08:53 AM 1252 Views
RE: I didn't mean we shouldn't reference strategies from earlier games (horizontal scroll avoidance) - 01/02/2010 02:46:35 PM 1299 Views
Oh, I totally agree - 01/02/2010 05:07:32 PM 1153 Views
I agree too. - 01/02/2010 05:18:58 PM 1228 Views
I really just meant that I don't think F-T's claim of not knowing about Yuna's claim is - 01/02/2010 06:16:11 PM 1186 Views
* is not enough, typo in above message *NM* - 01/02/2010 06:16:45 PM 879 Views
You still haven't explained what the purpose of such a lie would be. - 01/02/2010 07:15:35 PM 1146 Views
I think the rationale was this: - 01/02/2010 07:38:41 PM 1117 Views
That's a good breakdown - 01/02/2010 07:58:44 PM 1175 Views
Beg Pardon? - 01/02/2010 08:07:20 PM 1186 Views
Oof, I meant Cop, not tracker - 01/02/2010 08:41:56 PM 1544 Views
It's true, Isaac likes to be a leader, rather than a doer. *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:02 PM 735 Views
Coward. *NM* - 01/02/2010 11:17:21 PM 769 Views
LOL, it's not like I twiddle my thumbs Kronin - 02/02/2010 12:53:26 AM 1168 Views
Kidding, kidding. Forgot a *NM* - 02/02/2010 01:25:55 AM 694 Views
Er... what just happened, here? *NM* - 02/02/2010 12:55:51 AM 807 Views
I made a pointless post, decided to turn it into a semi-sarcastic insult. - 02/02/2010 01:27:48 AM 1186 Views
There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 09:20:57 PM 1188 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 10:03:57 PM 1200 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 10:33:49 PM 1271 Views
Re: There's not really anything to explain - 01/02/2010 11:11:37 PM 1235 Views
Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me - 02/02/2010 12:01:48 AM 1164 Views
Re: Maybe you should ask one of the others to explain this to me - 02/02/2010 01:15:41 AM 1204 Views
Different situation - 02/02/2010 01:39:15 AM 1233 Views
Re: Different situation - 02/02/2010 04:48:30 AM 1203 Views
What, is the shadow in amador still going? - 02/02/2010 08:09:41 PM 1268 Views
It's very still going. - 03/02/2010 11:41:13 PM 1053 Views
Right, so: A New Target - 01/02/2010 08:03:28 PM 1343 Views
Re: Right, so: A New Target - 01/02/2010 08:20:06 PM 1128 Views
Re: Right, so: A New Target *NM* - 01/02/2010 08:48:25 PM 672 Views
Message get eaten? *NM* - 01/02/2010 09:21:34 PM 711 Views
Apparantly... It was just a minor thing, lemme see if I remember... - 02/02/2010 12:44:28 AM 1204 Views
Right, so: Defending Myself - 01/02/2010 11:30:38 PM 1303 Views
Accusations should not be mutually exclusive - 01/02/2010 11:50:45 PM 1192 Views
F-T will not disppear, but I feel like that what he wants. - 02/02/2010 12:25:33 AM 1268 Views
Shrug. Someone asked for alternatives, I came up with one - 02/02/2010 12:37:28 AM 1334 Views
RBIRL - 02/02/2010 01:30:41 AM 1085 Views
Hmm...more accusations beyond beet's - 02/02/2010 06:02:51 AM 1161 Views
That's interesting. - 02/02/2010 02:09:52 PM 1210 Views
Re: That's interesting. - 02/02/2010 05:19:47 PM 1141 Views
Fair question, but it's actually pretty straightforward. - 02/02/2010 04:41:18 PM 1325 Views
Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 04:54:54 PM 1111 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 05:42:43 PM 1160 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 08:42:27 PM 1279 Views
Re: Your logic isn't terrible... - 02/02/2010 09:05:29 PM 1203 Views
Oh you mathematicians. - 02/02/2010 09:24:55 PM 1104 Views
Re: The random thing - 02/02/2010 04:59:42 PM 1344 Views
Nah, I anticipated this would make me the prime lynch candidate. - 02/02/2010 08:48:19 PM 1290 Views
This is sort of deja vu - 02/02/2010 10:37:57 PM 1211 Views
We need to invent a new role: "Itchy Trigger Finger" - 02/02/2010 11:21:46 PM 1158 Views
Okay, so I've been reading, but I kept meaning to post on my comp. Sorry. - 02/02/2010 06:21:12 AM 1235 Views
I never tried to stop any discussion - 02/02/2010 12:46:54 PM 1219 Views
Kronin is at least as suspicious as Issac, or F-T - 02/02/2010 05:09:56 PM 1206 Views
That's pretty bold claim of intention. - 02/02/2010 05:18:40 PM 1186 Views
Perhaps I meant more that they've picked an inclination? - 02/02/2010 05:50:26 PM 1160 Views
Hmm. - 03/02/2010 09:20:50 PM 1289 Views
Re: Hmm. - 04/02/2010 07:08:35 PM 1191 Views
I don't think we should clear F-T just yet... - 02/02/2010 08:18:22 PM 1234 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 04:36:52 AM 1272 Views
Fair enough, though I think we should give it some more time. - 03/02/2010 05:16:40 AM 1213 Views
What's funny is that at first I thought F-T was voting for YOU - 03/02/2010 07:12:39 AM 1176 Views
Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 03/02/2010 03:13:57 PM 1312 Views
Speaking of time... - 03/02/2010 03:28:42 PM 1256 Views
Only if it starts to grind to a halt. *NM* - 03/02/2010 04:50:32 PM 786 Views
Re: Only if it starts to grind to a halt. - 03/02/2010 06:52:54 PM 1265 Views
Yes. - 03/02/2010 07:55:54 PM 1242 Views
Sounds like a good system to me. *NM* - 03/02/2010 09:22:15 PM 745 Views
Those are basically my exact thoughts on the matter as well *NM* - 03/02/2010 09:12:35 PM 759 Views
Er... IS it active? I feel like we've kinda exhausted everything - 03/02/2010 11:19:29 PM 1134 Views
Hahaha. well, it was! - 04/02/2010 12:59:13 AM 1145 Views
Unless that's what he wants us to think... *NM* - 04/02/2010 01:06:43 AM 704 Views
Exactly. - 04/02/2010 01:20:54 AM 1250 Views
"No lynch" is a bad idea. At the very least, let's lynch someone random *NM* - 04/02/2010 04:07:00 AM 724 Views
So you'd rather lynch someone random over F-T? Why? - 04/02/2010 04:35:40 AM 1258 Views
Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 06:58:15 AM 1220 Views
Re: Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 07:07:37 AM 1104 Views
Well, yeah- a chance of getting a DF is better than no chance at all - 04/02/2010 07:04:27 PM 1203 Views
But there is a chance F-T is a DF. - 04/02/2010 07:34:37 PM 1161 Views
Fair enough... - 04/02/2010 07:49:26 PM 1159 Views
I agree with D_K actually - 04/02/2010 08:32:09 PM 1241 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 09:42:01 PM 1202 Views
Hah! Time-delayed RCs, I love it *NM* - 04/02/2010 11:17:35 PM 727 Views
You think F-T has less than a 29% (4/14) chance to be a DF? - 04/02/2010 08:55:34 PM 1128 Views
If a given random person is 30%, then yes, I think F-T is 29% or less - 04/02/2010 11:20:26 PM 1218 Views
Re: Because I think F-T is almost definitely not a DF - 04/02/2010 08:29:03 PM 1130 Views
Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 08:58:16 PM 1210 Views
Re: Vote: Fanatic-Templar - 04/02/2010 09:28:09 PM 1096 Views
I regret that I have only one life to give to the Light... - 04/02/2010 11:00:56 PM 1227 Views
You know, you're still at L-3. - 04/02/2010 11:14:40 PM 1386 Views
L-2, as it were. - 04/02/2010 11:41:10 PM 1169 Views
Just had to make me incorrect? - 04/02/2010 11:55:02 PM 1131 Views
I couldn't resist. *NM* - 05/02/2010 01:07:59 AM 726 Views
- 05/02/2010 01:15:51 AM 1240 Views
Well, neither Bergioyn or Blaine have weighed in for a while. - 05/02/2010 01:38:05 AM 1223 Views
Mafia > schooling. - 05/02/2010 01:42:17 AM 1163 Views
No, it's actually L-1 - 05/02/2010 03:17:32 AM 1353 Views
Wrong again. - 05/02/2010 03:23:29 AM 1184 Views
Yeah, but I wasn't sure if I'd still be alive next time I came around . - 05/02/2010 03:12:19 AM 1167 Views
- 05/02/2010 12:20:04 AM 1240 Views
I don't anyone will target you with a night action tonight, frankly. - 05/02/2010 03:14:26 AM 1214 Views
Fanatic-Templar has been lynched. - 05/02/2010 03:54:43 AM 1232 Views
I want to say one non-game related thing - 07/02/2010 06:21:40 PM 1192 Views

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