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Not strictly true Artsapat Send a noteboard - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM

The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on, but let's not forget that both Stephen and Yuna have win conditions that lie outside the normal mafia set up. It's still possible there are other groups or factions, or that certain players/factions can win without the Hippos being eliminated (the standard definition of Scum). You yourself say you can win when a certain amount of nights go by without an NK. At that point, we may assume that it is not necessary that the Hippos have been eliminated. In particular: I'm not sure if non-Watch townies would win if you or the Watch would. I dont think I'm willing to risk that.

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, how to find one? Races don't really matter as Taiga pointed out, as non-humans are not always foreigners, and humans are not always Ankh-Morporkians. Plus: we don't have that kind of information, except for one. The one person we do know is Ankh-Morporkian already is ranagrande, but I have no idea if he can conceivably be considered a xenophobe. So far, from the descriptions of Stephen and Yuna, the roles and characterization seem to fit the character nicely, but in order to "make" scum, Isaac may have found it necessary to "tweak" the characters a little.

I understand that I look like a good target to you, but you'll find my voting record to not be strictly anti-Yuna. And what I said at the start of today, was the following:

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Garlic Soap (3): Alleged to repel the undead

If that doesn't signify a group (and a dangerous one at that), which I have been thinking about since the beginning, I don't know what else it is.

That's not going after her perse, but indicating that I would eye her extra carefully. And I did, if only she would have reacted to questions of either roleclaim, or a little more information. In addition, you DO know I didn't do the NK on Stephen. After all, I was detained by the Watch (or, to be precise, by Praz, which still is a strange story) during that very night.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2144 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1453 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 945 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 877 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1414 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1377 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1526 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1295 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1317 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1381 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1489 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1389 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1410 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1247 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1299 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1342 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1303 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1438 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1378 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1316 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1299 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1464 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1473 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1487 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1335 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1370 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1284 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1381 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1459 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1405 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 854 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1382 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 900 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1299 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1461 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1326 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 786 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 926 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1475 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1335 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1444 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1362 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 797 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1680 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1359 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1339 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 773 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1451 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1347 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1274 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1415 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1375 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1467 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1413 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1319 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1311 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1413 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1501 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1389 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1439 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1210 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1439 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1321 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1430 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1364 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1481 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1617 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1685 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1467 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1324 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1386 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1391 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1497 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1573 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1433 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1628 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1387 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1455 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1282 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1751 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1282 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 917 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 976 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1473 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1446 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1380 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1767 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1834 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1468 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1366 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1377 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1833 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1428 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1489 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1247 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1007 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1343 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1445 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1493 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1359 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1777 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1472 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1023 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 796 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1716 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1354 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1676 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1475 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1047 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1406 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1064 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 947 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 945 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 781 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 956 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1359 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1241 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1769 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1317 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1673 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 805 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1388 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1739 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1356 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1342 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1642 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 850 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1685 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1761 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1726 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 784 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 929 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 797 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1844 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1773 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 852 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1010 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 974 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1744 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1887 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1827 Views

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