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Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM

Non-Mafia Roles with Night Kills are Vigilantes and Serial Killers.


The stated goal of the Watch is to prevent Night Kills (though I concede it's possible Stephen had a secret victory condition you didn't know). Therefore, it is unlikely that Stephen would be both a member of the Watch and a vigilante.

A Serial Killer is a lone wolf, trying to kill everyone. It seems very unlikely that you would have a vampire/watch/serial killer, and have another vampire that was not related in some way. The narrative is all wrong. I very much doubt that Stephen was the "bad" vampire and Yuna is a "good" vampire.

So, since Stephen likely didn't get his Night Kill from being a Serial Killer or a vigilante, all that's left is being part of some kind of group that has reason and ability to Night Kill people. And this still fits in with your restrictions- Stephen's Night Kill doesn't have to be a faction ability, it could just as easily be intrinsic to his specific character.

For example- and I'm not suggesting this- A cult faction that was two people. The faction ability is to infect someone. One person has a night kill. The other person has a roleblock.

I used a very similar setup in my Comic Book Mafia- the scum could carry out their Night Kill, but each scum had their own power they could use instead.



As to why I'm focused on this, I'm niggling away at threads. Despite the large number of posts and Days we've gone through, we really have very little information. You know what gets us information? Blood. One lynch would tell us more than anything we've gone through in the last two days.

I think it's actually more suspicious that you are so adamantly defending Yuna. For all intents and purposes, this is basically Day One, or maybe Day Two. We have ONE dead body! On Day One, the smallest thing out of place will get you lynched. And, no offense to Yuna, but she hasn't even posted anything this Day.

We lose little by lynching her. We would gain, at the very least, a lot of information, not only from her death message, but from how this Days-long debate has been interacted with all players. We would also, if I'm right, be removing an anti-town predator.

I have a laundry list of reasons to lynch Yuna. Your defense amounts to, "But what if she's NOT evil?"


(and no, my role has nothing to do with vampires. I've just somehow become this anti-vampire crusader because it is the ONLY lead we have)

I amuse myself.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1779 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1107 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 740 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 640 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1090 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1041 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1201 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 959 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 992 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1052 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1161 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1049 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1087 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 915 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 976 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1028 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 994 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1076 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1058 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1015 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 989 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1107 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1160 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1168 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1010 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1062 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 923 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1057 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1122 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1063 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 646 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1060 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 674 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 974 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1112 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 997 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 593 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 718 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1121 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1009 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1114 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 992 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 593 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1282 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1041 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1013 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 589 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1112 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 981 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 955 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1122 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1058 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1097 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1064 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 984 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1003 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1079 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1178 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1009 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1117 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1081 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 970 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1118 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1054 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1080 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1254 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1367 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1117 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1002 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1027 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1057 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1161 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1251 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1083 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1271 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1035 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1111 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 944 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1281 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 948 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 724 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 751 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1133 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1115 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1053 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1283 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1362 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1103 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1031 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1041 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1327 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1112 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1183 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 939 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 808 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1019 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1102 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1178 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1048 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1293 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1105 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 812 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 600 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1218 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 998 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1216 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1089 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 848 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 728 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 726 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 600 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 751 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 987 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 913 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1325 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 991 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1217 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 598 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1050 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1262 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1046 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 988 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1183 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 657 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1210 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1303 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1265 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 603 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 705 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 624 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1352 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1281 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 649 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 787 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 782 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1273 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1393 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1336 Views

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