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Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM

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that ranagrande expressed incredulity at you claiming to have a role that didn't necessitate killing, but then claimed as a Survivor the next day?

I'm not saying I agree or disagree, just trying to boil down your accusation.


On Day 1 he reacted to the notion as though he didn't believe it was possible.
On Day 2 he roleclaimed in such a way congruent to the notion and claimed that he had no problem with the notion at all, he just didn't expect anyone else to be in a similar situation.
On Day 3 he reverts to insisting that the notion is impossible despite the fact that the only role he can know for certain - his own - is allegedly one such (though obviously I expect him to be lying about that - if his role actually does require others' death, it would certainly justify his behaviour on both Day 1 and Day 3, and as a scum inventing a fakeclaim at a time when no-killing appeared to be the norm, he tried to fake a claim that would fit in with that. I expect he now regrets it). As for his stated reasons for not believing in the not-killing roles, I have completely blown them apart, and ranagrande has been trying to dodge that.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 1957 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 801 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1004 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1093 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1076 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1086 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1595 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1244 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1160 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1132 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1051 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 985 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1060 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1023 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1011 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1062 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 678 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1083 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 655 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 665 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1008 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1151 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1123 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1049 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1032 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1092 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1123 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 970 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 670 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 635 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 653 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1034 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1088 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1452 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 675 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1127 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 676 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1039 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1137 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 644 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 612 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 985 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 647 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1041 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 653 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 604 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 662 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1396 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1122 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 698 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 604 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 702 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1140 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1008 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 598 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 993 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 636 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 604 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 628 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1097 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 694 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1012 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1061 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 623 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1594 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 932 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1052 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 987 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 620 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 612 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 627 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1025 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1022 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 938 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1097 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 998 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1021 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1035 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1093 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 960 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 963 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 952 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 627 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 971 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1144 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1094 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 529 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1243 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 592 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 934 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 918 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 669 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1310 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1015 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 956 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 978 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1594 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1136 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1324 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 971 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 900 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1075 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 933 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1019 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 997 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1175 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1243 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 626 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 963 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 992 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1046 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1060 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1049 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 976 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 953 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1005 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1245 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 986 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 992 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1032 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1057 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1165 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1000 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 995 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 959 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1056 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 938 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 998 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 591 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 970 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 714 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 949 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 996 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 903 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1117 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1001 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 993 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 976 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 584 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 991 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1032 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1059 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1026 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 725 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 971 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 895 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 971 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 956 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1016 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 600 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 953 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1013 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1106 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1264 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1024 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 973 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1345 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1026 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1004 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 995 Views
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