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Nice try. ranagrande Send a noteboard - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM

View original postSo on Day 1 I point out that I don't need anyone to die to win and you express incredulity at the statement.

Then yesterDay when you get called out on it you're all "No, no, that's perfectly credible and in fact, I don't need to lynch anyone either!"

And now you've reverted back to doubting the believability of the role you've roleclaimed as.

I'm calling a lynch all liars on this one.


I have been entirely consistent in this game. Yesterday, enough people claimed to be able to win without lynching that I found it plausible. As I've said, I'm a Survivor. That means that if anyone wins while I'm still alive, I win too. So if the town in this game can win without lynching, then I also could win without lynching.

That's the part I now doubt. It has nothing to do with my role. I don't believe your role.

Why the sudden change?

Isaac recently posted a deadline message, and ended it with:

View original postLast note: Chess, Checkers, Monopoly, etc are specific games with specific rules. You can vary them a bit, for fun and something new, but the core concept of the game needs to remain or its a different game, which is fine but you wouldn't call it Chess anymore if you did. People might disagree on what the core concept of chess is, but if someone said they thought the core of the game revolved around protecting your king while checkmating the other guy's then anything that removes that component wouldn't be, in their eyes, chess anymore. So if you know what they consider the core concept you may safely assume it remains. Deduction, a core component of most strategy games, would allow one to make an educated guess what a given person considered that core concept to be with some searching but ideally it should be in the rules of the game itself, or so I have always felt.

OK, so let's look at the rules, conveniently written by Isaac, our moderator. Look at the topic headings. "Introduction," "Do's and Do Not's," "The Lynch." Clearly, Isaac considers lynching to be a "core concept" in mafia, and he would not have posted as he did if the town could win without lynching.

My statements yesterday presupposed that you were telling the truth, and that is something I no longer believe. Perhaps you're part of a cult, as beetnemesis has theorized. In any event, you're not what you say you are. The only reason I voted for Taiga instead of for you is that he's already got a vote against him.

Now whether you're a cult or some other scum faction, I, as a Survivor, could still win as long as you won. So why would I stick my neck out for the town like this? The answer is simple, and I suspect is the same reason that prompted Isaac to post as he did.

All these deadline no-lynches are boring.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 2328 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 977 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1331 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1389 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1441 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1454 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 2028 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1611 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1533 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1487 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1410 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 1356 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1421 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1373 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1382 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1434 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 886 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1460 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 861 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 827 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1376 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1515 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1511 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1390 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1396 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1437 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1501 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 1326 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 844 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 815 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 832 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1386 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1448 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1886 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 836 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1498 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 847 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1208 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1513 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 829 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 775 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 1350 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 831 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1405 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 811 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 773 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 843 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1585 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1470 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 863 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 776 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 871 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1443 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1359 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 768 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 1366 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 817 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 773 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 820 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1403 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 867 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1205 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1433 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 792 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 2019 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 1279 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1408 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 1374 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 780 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 787 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 798 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1383 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1372 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 1297 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1466 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 1373 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1367 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1402 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1471 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 1318 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 1281 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 1313 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 796 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 1339 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1503 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1257 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 691 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1634 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 757 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 1319 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 1281 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 833 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1672 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1372 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 1306 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 1350 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1956 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1507 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1687 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 1314 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 1273 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1449 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 1299 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1381 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 1348 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1550 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1602 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 792 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 1328 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 1330 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1392 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1426 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1428 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 1319 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 1309 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1343 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1609 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 1344 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 1352 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1330 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1415 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1508 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1354 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 1346 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 1326 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1438 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 1291 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 1387 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 767 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 1323 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 875 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 1292 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 1332 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 1270 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1473 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 1386 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 1342 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 1327 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 763 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 1293 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1320 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1365 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1324 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 883 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 1263 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 1261 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 1345 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 1330 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1395 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 772 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 1306 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1364 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1462 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1588 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1386 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 1250 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1646 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1390 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1364 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 1292 Views
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