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Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM

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I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

Fanatic_Templar:

View original postMe, I already told you that my objectives don't require me to lynch anybody. And I'm not even a foreigner, so I don't even need to kill the Hippos in self-defence. Now, because I'm still town-aligned I tried to help you guys out, but if you think I'm going to drag you kicking and screaming to a lynch in this game, you may want to reevaluate the situation. I am totally fine with no-lynching all game long, this time.

ranagrande

View original postI am a survivor. So when FT said his role didn't explicitly require killing, that's what I immediately thought of. Two survivors would be unlikely, but I already suspect that we have some quirks in the game setup.

Taiga

View original postYes I got an objective, but there is no need for killing or lynching per se too...maybe that counts for all of us (that would certainly explain the almost permanent stalling of this game..)

Praziquantel

View original postI probably sound like a broken record at this point, but I have to agree. There's nothing that compels me to lynch someone and given that we haven't lost anyone at night either (while at the same time our town roles apparently got some info), I don't see the harm in another no lynch. (...) In any case, as far as I can tell, I have nothing to gain personally from eliminating any of them. So, like you, I am content with another no lynch in hopes that we will have some useful info/revelations tomorrow.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.

This leaves two we don't know yet: ? and Sacrilicious Toast. If they can chime in: please do.

So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.



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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 1957 Views
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...worst epiphany ever *NM* - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 635 Views
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EBWOP - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1088 Views
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Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 675 Views
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Nothing happened to me. *NM* - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 676 Views
Me neither. *NM* - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1039 Views
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Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 604 Views
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Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1121 Views
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So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1008 Views
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I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 628 Views
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To add - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1052 Views
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As did I. *NM* - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 620 Views
Me too *NM* - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 612 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 627 Views
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I chose Option 8. - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1022 Views
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I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1096 Views
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Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 963 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 950 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 627 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 971 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1144 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1094 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 529 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1243 Views
ROFL! *NM* - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 592 Views
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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1015 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 956 Views
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Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1135 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1323 Views
So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 971 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 900 Views
I don't believe it either. - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1075 Views
Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 933 Views
Nice try. - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1019 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 997 Views
Re: Nice try. - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1175 Views
I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1243 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 626 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 963 Views
That was part of my reasoning - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 992 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1045 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1058 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1048 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 976 Views
Honestly I am torn. - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 951 Views
I do not claim this. - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1005 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1032 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1057 Views
Have a good trip - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1165 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1000 Views
No I haven't. - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 995 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 959 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1056 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 938 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 998 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 591 Views
Me neither - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 968 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 714 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 949 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 995 Views
Re: Mostly because .... - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 903 Views
Thanks! - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1117 Views
What is the case against Taiga? - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 999 Views
How awkward - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 991 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 975 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 584 Views
Vote Tracker - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 990 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1031 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1058 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1025 Views
Nice timing. *NM* - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 725 Views
Vote Tracker - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 971 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 893 Views
Seems like a silly excuse - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 971 Views
Not really. - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 956 Views
Reaching for what? - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1015 Views
So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1013 Views
Re: So, your argument is: - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1104 Views
Re: Not really. - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1264 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1024 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 973 Views
Twilight 3 - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1344 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1026 Views
I think most of us will - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1004 Views

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