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Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel Send a noteboard - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM

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I suggested to start the game again, now that we've seen the event resolution, with the people who claim they can win without voting. This really intrigues me, and as was pointed out by others: it's curious that so many / more than 1 claim this.

On the contrary, I don't claim a non-killing role. <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281293/">Bergioyn doesn't say</a>, but his surprise at the type of game that would require no killing leads me to suspect he's not. Yunalesca is a Vampire, not a likely one for a Survivor, and definetely not for a no-killing role. (Didn't she already claim somewhere that she needed to kill? Can't find it anymore.) Maybe, since she's a reporter in-world, an ivestigative role. (Which makes me wonder: why wasn't she targeted/killed last night? <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281594/">She herself said she wasn't.</a> Beet also wanted to know more, and he suggested one option (will discuss below) which makes me feel he also doesn't claim no need to kill to win.


So are you claiming to be a killing role? Or that you need to kill people to win? Also, Yuna claimed to not have an NK ability. That doesn't say anything about her victory conditions, however.
http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/281493/
So, without these two, and accepting my assumptions about Berg, Yuna and beet, we're now with 4 people who will likely have to kill to win (pro-Town this means: eliminate threats to town), 2 unknowns and 4 people who claim a victory condition that let's them win with nobody killed. Very high indeed.
What kind of roles can you have to win without Lynching or voting? beet made a rather intruiging suggestion, that besides a Survivor, a Cultist also can win without voting. Any more suggestions?

I don't know why you assume it's necessarily a town attribute. It could just as well be a mafia one, requiring elimination of the town, or in this case, perhaps a specific race or group or whatever.
As for there being Cultists, they would still have a condition that requires them to eliminate threats to the cult (mafia), since mafia usually can't be recruited to a cult.
So, if we accept that either FT or rana is the Real Survivor (C) (and as rana poked at my question first, I'm more inclined to believe him), this means that Taiga and Praz are likely candidates to have lied.

Odd logic. FT was the first one who made the claim that he didn't need to kill/eliminate anyone. Rana actually challenged that claim. I and then Taiga echoed FT's sentiments and after all that, Rana ended up backing off and then basically agreeing with both of us. He wasn't the first to make this claim by any means...
May I also suggest that three of these four, namely rana, Taiga and Praz, plus one for which we do not know this yet (?), were also the ones visited by zombies? According to <a href="http://www.readandfindout.com/rpg/messageboard/280879/">Praz's rough timeline</a> Taiga was the first to have been visited, so maybe he was the one who sent him? As in: he could have been the one who sent out the zombie?

No, I was not visited by a zombie, I just saw him in the street. ? also saw him but was not visited. I don't know what happened to him or what his significance is, but he seems to have disappeared.
This could make sense: he had a dawn message, which stated something about a zombie, but saw that others (starting with rana, then Praz) claimed to have seen the zombie, then decided this puts him in a bigger company and claimed he only "saw" him, but was then caught out by the ladle.

Hm, are you saying he sent the zombie to someone's house? That's interesting, but who could do that?
(Nothing can be more profoundly Discworld, than that the final clue is a ladle, of all things... Pratchett would be proud.)

I'd also like to know what that means, as I haven't read DW.
Undead are prime cultist material: vampires go around turning others into new vampires, zombies bite healthy people to turn them into other zombies (are they fast zombies, or are they slow zombies? I hope slow...) and I'm sure there are more examples.

I don't know the lore, but Stephen's role (a vampire) clearly wasn't a cultist. As Bergoiyn mentioned, zombies in DW don't multiply that way. There could still be a cult, but I don't think the undead would be involved. Instead, we have evidence of "pamphlets speak of a distant god named Om" (Day 1 intro) that sound much more likely to be Cult suspects.
Any more input would be helpful, but I'm going to start kicking things until something useful drops out of the tree:

Vote: Taiga.


I would like to know if you think Taiga sent the zombie. Is that why you are voting him? It's not something I thought of, I'll have to go back and read that context again.
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:06:48 AM 1957 Views
For clarification: was this a modkill? Or is it deliberately ambiguous? *NM* beetnemesis - 16/11/2013 07:11:15 AM 801 Views
Not a modkill Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:12:15 AM 1004 Views
Also not a self-kill Isaac - 19/11/2013 09:01:36 PM 1093 Views
Notes from Mod Isaac - 16/11/2013 07:11:43 AM 1076 Views
So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 16/11/2013 08:07:47 PM 1086 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Yunalesca - 17/11/2013 09:57:02 AM 1595 Views
Re: So, we finally have a Night Kill Artsapat - 17/11/2013 01:41:07 PM 1243 Views
We have learned quite a bit. ranagrande - 17/11/2013 05:11:02 PM 1160 Views
And we would by hypocopping what? Fanatic-Templar - 17/11/2013 10:23:06 PM 1132 Views
Re: And we would by hypocopping what? Taiga - 18/11/2013 10:02:45 AM 1050 Views
The City-Watch group is what I also expected Artsapat - 18/11/2013 02:09:37 PM 985 Views
Re: The City-Watch group is what I also expected ranagrande - 18/11/2013 09:43:00 PM 1060 Views
Oh man I am going to be so happy when we find and kill this thief. beetnemesis - 18/11/2013 11:58:26 PM 1022 Views
Did your hat do anything? beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 04:14:33 PM 1009 Views
No. ranagrande - 20/11/2013 05:49:17 AM 1062 Views
+1 *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:14:22 AM 678 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 3 - Revenge of the Smith Praziquantel - 18/11/2013 08:49:57 PM 1082 Views
They might get bonuses when a foreigner/Undead dies. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 18/11/2013 10:25:02 PM 655 Views
He was going to die anyway. *NM* Praziquantel - 19/11/2013 12:07:11 AM 665 Views
He might've been replaced. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 06:23:52 AM 1007 Views
He might've, but NKing anybody else at least gave the chance of killing two birds with one stone. Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:34:38 AM 1150 Views
Yeah, it's just my best guess. Fanatic-Templar - 19/11/2013 05:08:32 PM 1123 Views
There is another "Smith" in Discworld- the Wintersmith beetnemesis - 19/11/2013 06:08:28 PM 1048 Views
Wait so someone with a nightkill died? ? - 19/11/2013 07:00:58 PM 1032 Views
Well, Stephen was not part of an NK-group, Artsapat - 19/11/2013 07:45:46 PM 1091 Views
Question [table] Artsapat - 19/11/2013 08:22:57 PM 1123 Views
Re: Question [table] Fanatic-Templar - 20/11/2013 03:52:56 AM 969 Views
Was it the number 42? *NM* Artsapat - 20/11/2013 10:17:13 AM 670 Views
...worst epiphany ever *NM* beetnemesis - 20/11/2013 03:54:39 PM 635 Views
My D3M said even less then F-T's...so nothing happened. *NM* Taiga - 20/11/2013 06:14:01 AM 653 Views
Same here... at least last night I got a message about that zombie. Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:36:49 AM 1034 Views
EBWOP Praziquantel - 20/11/2013 10:39:28 AM 1087 Views
Re: Question [table] Yunalesca - 20/11/2013 10:21:27 PM 1452 Views
Quiet tonight, I guess they realized I had nothing left to steal *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 04:02:44 AM 675 Views
Re: Question [table] Taiga - 21/11/2013 10:23:11 AM 1126 Views
Nothing happened to me. *NM* ? - 20/11/2013 12:43:58 AM 676 Views
Me neither. *NM* Bergioyn - 20/11/2013 09:56:13 AM 1039 Views
OK, so, Hypocop table. beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:22:03 PM 1137 Views
Beriogyn- Not Guilty *NM* beetnemesis - 21/11/2013 07:23:46 PM 644 Views
Artsapat - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 21/11/2013 08:21:16 PM 612 Views
I'm sorry, but as I mentioned, I already claimed being blocked Artsapat - 21/11/2013 09:01:00 PM 984 Views
I did not perform a Night Action to preserve Morale. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 21/11/2013 09:39:10 PM 647 Views
You know what surprises me? ? - 21/11/2013 11:58:00 PM 1040 Views
I suspect this whole confusion with life and reality thing may have been a roleblock attempt. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/11/2013 04:30:14 AM 653 Views
Oh yeah that would makes sense *NM* ? - 22/11/2013 07:01:27 PM 604 Views
Praziquantel-Not Guilty *NM* ? - 21/11/2013 11:53:48 PM 662 Views
Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty *NM* Yunalesca - 22/11/2013 12:17:32 AM 1396 Views
Re: Sacrilicious Toast - Guilty Sacrilicious Toast - 22/11/2013 07:08:27 PM 1121 Views
Praziquantel - Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 22/11/2013 10:15:40 AM 698 Views
Bergioyn - not guilty *NM* Taiga - 22/11/2013 02:10:42 PM 604 Views
F-T -- Not Guilty *NM* Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:54:20 AM 702 Views
Event 3 - Revenge of the Smith Isaac - 24/11/2013 04:25:20 PM 1138 Views
So, does this tell us something about the groups in the game? Artsapat - 24/11/2013 07:15:55 PM 1008 Views
How do you think we could hypocop this? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/11/2013 03:46:53 PM 598 Views
Depending on what type of outcome we each get... Artsapat - 25/11/2013 06:40:26 PM 993 Views
Reminder: Event Deadline Tuesday evening *NM* Isaac - 26/11/2013 05:22:09 PM 636 Views
Argh. I was travelling and completely forgot. *NM* beetnemesis - 27/11/2013 04:38:03 PM 604 Views
I haven't compiled them yet, you can still send *NM* Isaac - 27/11/2013 04:42:46 PM 628 Views
Event Resolution Isaac - 30/11/2013 09:08:54 AM 1097 Views
So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 01:21:58 PM 694 Views
I picked option 3. *NM* Yunalesca - 30/11/2013 01:45:38 PM 1012 Views
And? What happened to you guys? ? - 30/11/2013 02:35:52 PM 1059 Views
I found and beat up a Hippo, but he claims the Hippo's had nothing to do with the bridge. *NM* Bergioyn - 30/11/2013 06:26:27 PM 623 Views
Re: And? What happened to you guys? Yunalesca - 01/12/2013 07:24:53 PM 1594 Views
Hm, well that's something Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:49:17 AM 932 Views
To add Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:52:39 AM 1052 Views
I helped capture the hippo (animal, not the terrorist) beetnemesis - 30/11/2013 03:21:44 PM 986 Views
As did I. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 30/11/2013 06:04:57 PM 620 Views
Me too *NM* Taiga - 01/12/2013 06:37:52 PM 612 Views
Me too. Good work guys! *NM* Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 08:46:13 AM 627 Views
Re: So, what did everyone pick? I chose option 5. Sacrilicious Toast - 30/11/2013 09:50:30 PM 1025 Views
I chose Option 8. ranagrande - 01/12/2013 03:13:49 AM 1022 Views
Re: Event Resolution Taiga - 02/12/2013 12:03:02 PM 938 Views
I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 02/12/2013 01:20:46 PM 1096 Views
I honestly thought I'd be the only one doing it beetnemesis - 02/12/2013 03:53:32 PM 995 Views
I didn't want to risk going after the wrong people. Fanatic-Templar - 02/12/2013 06:37:41 PM 1020 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Praziquantel - 02/12/2013 07:20:43 PM 1033 Views
I followed the dwarf ? - 02/12/2013 09:24:25 PM 1093 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Artsapat - 03/12/2013 01:07:12 PM 960 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:29 AM 963 Views
Re: I can confirm Yuna's version of events. Up to a point Taiga - 03/12/2013 11:12:33 AM 950 Views
I'd like to hear some answers to Art's other question. *NM* ranagrande - 04/12/2013 09:45:06 AM 627 Views
You mean the "people who don't need to lynch to win?" beetnemesis - 04/12/2013 02:42:55 PM 971 Views
I just now saw that this posted as *NM* ranagrande - 05/12/2013 09:55:38 AM 1144 Views
Good point, I'll repeat my question in a new post below *NM* Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:05:37 PM 1094 Views
Hah. I didn't even think to check *NM* beetnemesis - 05/12/2013 03:10:17 PM 529 Views
A random note on rock-paper-scissors Artsapat - 25/11/2013 10:26:04 AM 1243 Views
ROFL! *NM* Isaac - 25/11/2013 05:41:05 PM 592 Views
Sorry for my absence Praziquantel - 28/11/2013 10:52:11 AM 933 Views
I'm going to be busy for a while over the weekend Artsapat - 29/11/2013 11:04:15 AM 918 Views
I think we're waiting for the Event results. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 29/11/2013 07:00:32 PM 669 Views
As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Artsapat - 05/12/2013 02:45:42 PM 1309 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Fanatic-Templar - 05/12/2013 06:23:45 PM 1015 Views
OK, sorry, I forgot Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:06:14 AM 956 Views
I'm still not willing to roleclaim yet. Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:00:21 PM 977 Views
Discworld zombies don't multiply that way though. They are simply dead who do not realise they are. Bergioyn - 05/12/2013 07:14:40 PM 1594 Views
Vampires (in Carpe Jugulum) do, though. beetnemesis - 06/12/2013 02:59:36 PM 1134 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Sacrilicious Toast - 05/12/2013 08:18:51 PM 1322 Views
So: you're number FIVE? Artsapat - 06/12/2013 08:49:14 AM 971 Views
Re: So: you're number FIVE? Fanatic-Templar - 06/12/2013 10:05:11 PM 899 Views
I don't believe it either. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 04:51:22 AM 1075 Views
Speaking of believability issues... Fanatic-Templar - 07/12/2013 06:12:04 AM 933 Views
Nice try. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:40:18 AM 1019 Views
My link doesn't seem to work. ranagrande - 07/12/2013 07:42:21 AM 997 Views
Re: Nice try. Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 03:53:29 PM 1175 Views
I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 07:26:39 AM 1243 Views
Vote: ranagrande *NM* ? - 08/12/2013 06:11:36 PM 626 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ? - 08/12/2013 06:13:18 PM 962 Views
That was part of my reasoning Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:15:28 PM 991 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. ranagrande - 08/12/2013 07:29:57 PM 1045 Views
Re: I haven't even begun to try. Fanatic-Templar - 08/12/2013 09:28:17 PM 1058 Views
Vote: ranagrande Bergioyn - 09/12/2013 02:36:49 PM 1047 Views
Re: Speaking of believability issues... Praziquantel - 07/12/2013 04:20:23 PM 976 Views
Honestly I am torn. ? - 08/12/2013 02:18:33 AM 951 Views
I do not claim this. ? - 05/12/2013 11:05:01 PM 1005 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Praziquantel - 06/12/2013 12:30:03 PM 1244 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear Taiga - 09/12/2013 09:12:08 AM 985 Views
Re: As rana pointed out, the original question I posted may not have been clear ? - 10/12/2013 02:27:52 AM 992 Views
Day 3 Deadline Friday the 13th Isaac - 06/12/2013 12:37:04 PM 1032 Views
RBIRL: meeting in Brussels Artsapat - 08/12/2013 07:29:00 PM 1057 Views
Have a good trip Praziquantel - 09/12/2013 04:30:32 PM 1164 Views
Can I get a reminder on the role/character claims we have? beetnemesis - 09/12/2013 03:58:05 AM 1000 Views
No I haven't. Fanatic-Templar - 09/12/2013 05:28:19 AM 994 Views
You claimed to be a Survivor, though. beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:23:52 PM 959 Views
Did I? Can you find a quote of that? Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2013 06:29:47 PM 1056 Views
Hah, I'm sorry. That's why I was asking for clarification. So, ok... beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:21:54 PM 937 Views
Hmm... can I delay on answering that? Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2013 09:00:57 PM 998 Views
But now I'm so curious... *NM* beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:56 AM 591 Views
Me neither Taiga - 09/12/2013 08:16:48 AM 968 Views
If it's coming down to ranagrande vs. Taiga, I would like character and role claims from both *NM* beetnemesis - 10/12/2013 03:28:28 PM 714 Views
Can you tell me what are the reasons you're voting rana and/or Taiga? Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 04:30:31 PM 949 Views
Mostly because those are the two people that have already been voted for, and we're near deadline beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 04:50:31 PM 995 Views
Re: Mostly because .... Praziquantel - 11/12/2013 10:23:23 PM 902 Views
Thanks! beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 12:49:32 AM 1117 Views
What is the case against Taiga? beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 07:33:02 PM 999 Views
How awkward Taiga - 12/12/2013 01:57:31 PM 991 Views
What? I haven't voted for you. beetnemesis - 12/12/2013 05:14:47 PM 975 Views
sorry beet, my mistake. I was amazed by the votes *NM* Taiga - 13/12/2013 10:18:11 AM 584 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 09/12/2013 03:26:00 PM 990 Views
Tuesday VNTL is 5 Isaac - 10/12/2013 12:53:12 PM 1031 Views
Thursday VNTL is 4, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 01:57:34 PM 1058 Views
Correction: Thursday VNTL is 5, Deadline Friday (Vote Tracker Table) Isaac - 12/12/2013 02:00:28 PM 1025 Views
Nice timing. *NM* Bergioyn - 12/12/2013 10:24:02 PM 725 Views
Vote Tracker Isaac - 13/12/2013 01:59:42 PM 971 Views
That said, since Taiga refuses to share info, Vote: Taiga beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 01:53:21 PM 893 Views
Seems like a silly excuse Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 03:45:10 PM 971 Views
Not really. beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 04:52:23 PM 956 Views
Reaching for what? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 05:46:34 PM 1015 Views
Also, does anyone have any idea why FT always capitalizes the word "Day?" I can't think of a reason *NM* beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:27:46 PM 600 Views
To distinguish game Days from real life days Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:30:40 PM 953 Views
So, your argument is: beetnemesis - 13/12/2013 08:49:53 PM 1013 Views
Re: So, your argument is: Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2013 10:52:22 PM 1104 Views
Re: Not really. Praziquantel - 13/12/2013 09:43:30 PM 1264 Views
Woah that's like OMGUS without beet voting for you. ? - 13/12/2013 10:19:40 PM 1024 Views
Deadline Pending (Note) Isaac - 14/12/2013 01:46:55 AM 973 Views
Twilight 3 Isaac - 14/12/2013 04:24:03 AM 1344 Views
I'll be RBIRL when we start day 4 ranagrande - 21/12/2013 09:03:03 AM 1026 Views
I think most of us will Artsapat - 22/12/2013 01:20:10 PM 1004 Views
We tend to have a small spike between Xmas and New Years I've noticed Isaac - 23/12/2013 01:23:00 PM 995 Views
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