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Re: Wait, wait... Isaac Send a noteboard - 10/09/2013 03:05:01 AM

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View original postor the obviously non-true me=J-scum you just proposed then withdrew.


View original postWhy can't you be the final Japanese scum? I'm fairly convinced you are. And your post only made me suspect it more.

Oh I could be from a 3rd party perspective, its just the evidence Rana cited made it less not more likely I was. Remember his reasoning currently revolves around you and Hobo having to be Russians, now I could buy into Hobo being Russian maybe, but I can't buy into you be aligned to Yuna, who was Russian, or aligned to Hobo who you tried pretty hard to kill. In other words, if we are 1-0-1-2 and Rana is claiming to be townie, I and Hobo must be the Russians because you can't be Russian, nor aligned with Hobo. Except again that Yuna being Russian, there's no reaosn if I was Russian I'd have helped press that case at 3/5 anymore then you would have pushed it to begin with. Thus it doesn't work. The only viable 2 person factions from a 'rana-town' POV would have to be me and you Non-Russian, e.g. Japanese (min faction size 4) Italian, (min 5) or me and Hobo, same deal. There is literally no combination of Russian 3-person team right now except rana and Hobo but that means he is scum and thinks one of us is the J-scum and the other town. Personally I don't believe this 3-3-3-3 set up.


View original postAlso, I'm pretty certain we've got three members of every mafia group, and three townies. In such a circumstance, is it even possible to lynch a Russian? I don't have a double-vote, or anything like it.

I have no double vote either and both Rana and Hobo have voted and non-hammer, so if they have one it is OS, it could be request activated but I've never seen that except as OS. Anyway I think not, if someone does, I advise them to use it with obvious common sense.

But look, we can't have a 3-3-3-3 setup, like I said the only valid combo at this point would be Rana/Hobo and if Rana why vote me then unvote? If it's 1-1-2 T-J-R then this is a really silly conversation, they're the Russians and we both claim to be town and the other the Jap.

This is all pointless, You know I would not have lynched Yuna if she was on my team, and I know you would not have ignited the case and pressed it if she was. So neither of us is Russian. If you're sure we're 3-3-3-3 turned 1-0-1-2 then that means Hobo and Rana are and you've nothing to lose in voting for Rana, we both vote, and Hobo twiddles his thumbs while Rana and he try to convince you are I to vote for each other. At least then we know where we stand. But me? I am pretty confident we do not have 2 Russians and 1 Japanese left and the way I see it we have jack to lose. Roleclaims are pointless as they only hurt us, none of us can possibly trust each other today, and I'm not asking for trust, I am just pointing out that since neither of us can realistically be Russian that this 1-0-1-2 case can be safely tested by voting for either Rana or Hobo, that's all I'm asking from you. Me personally, I don't think we're 1-0-1-2 anyway. I think we're either 2-1-1 or 3-1 and you guys are assuming we have symmetry even then there's no need for it just because Berg wanted 12. That's a huge leap of faith to vest all our hopes in but I'm giving you a safe way to test that if you're so convinced we have specifically 2 Russians, or tell me some plausible scenario for how either you or let that lynch go down on Yuna-Russian that could allow one of us to be the other Russians.

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