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Re: My take: Fox and Ravens Send a noteboard - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM

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Seems pretty obvious that I'm in the beginning stages of being bussed. Isaac was incredibly eager to grasp at the first straw he could to implicate someone. You'll note that I had absolutely no suspicion of him, and that my comments were pretty mild- and yet as soon as I mentioned the possibility of multiple groups, or multiple serial killers, he wanted to kill me off as quickly as possible.

(For reasons why I suspect there might be multiple factions, check my post, but it boils down to that Bergioyn wanted us to have specifically 12 people)

So, simply because of that I suspect Isaac.

Moreover, if you check out how he's acted this game, it's definitely been in an "Isaac-scum" way.

Veterans can back me up on this, but Isaac (whether scum or town) characteristically:

  • Never lies if he can at all help it.
  • Use a large amount of charts/analysis

However, when Isaac is scum, a third item is added:

  • Use said charts and analysis to direct attention away from him and his compatriots, or to use only seemingly helpful charts and analysis.

That third item is key. Look at his first survey: it was about names, and whether anyone had any significant names. Here's the thing- he already had a name. He KNEW that his name wasn't significant, and didn't indicate anything.

Since he knew that his name didn't have any meaning behind it, it's extremely unlikely that anyone else would have a name like "Mustache McBadGuy" or "Doc Torperson"


Obviously this is all pretty circumstantial, but I feel pretty confident.

Isaac tried to seem helpful with a useless survey, then tried to lynch the first available target (i.e. me) when I made a guess at a possible role.

Vote: Isaac


I really don't see it. It wasn't a useless an entirely survey and yeah, it was based off of stuff he knew about his own character. It was info gathering and that is usually what happens on day 1. General questions are asked about role messages and people discuss what they can. I don't see how what Isaac did here differed any more from other games, scum or town.

Go Hokies!

CS/CpE. Yay engineering!
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No, his plan was actually pretty good. - 06/08/2013 01:00:31 AM 1614 Views
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I vaguely remember the Marvel game, but not any specifics... *NM* - 04/08/2013 09:55:24 PM 872 Views
I do... - 05/08/2013 04:25:10 AM 1457 Views
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(here) *NM* - 29/07/2013 11:03:26 PM 850 Views
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Yeah, my name's a real one too, just not logically related to anything in the game. *NM* - 02/08/2013 07:17:42 PM 860 Views
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Yes. No. No. - 04/08/2013 09:02:49 AM 1382 Views
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The "... and people die" part is probably accurate though *NM* - 03/08/2013 12:32:40 PM 837 Views
Correlation does not equal causation . *NM* - 03/08/2013 05:42:30 PM 861 Views
Precisely *NM* - 04/08/2013 11:22:52 AM 840 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 05/08/2013 08:31:03 PM 1509 Views
Re: Vote: Isaac - 06/08/2013 06:40:24 AM 1460 Views
Baaaack~ - 03/08/2013 11:26:57 PM 1465 Views
Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 07:03:07 PM 1500 Views
Well - 05/08/2013 07:25:22 PM 1425 Views
That is correct - 05/08/2013 07:35:24 PM 1439 Views
Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 09:42:23 PM 1495 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:09:48 PM 1510 Views
Re: Oh yeah, you're right - 05/08/2013 10:20:02 PM 1542 Views
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Re: Although interesting, the questions don't seem to be adding much to the info - 05/08/2013 08:26:01 PM 1585 Views
Agreed. Random lynches seem like a last resort to me. - 05/08/2013 08:55:59 PM 1504 Views
Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:52:25 AM 1543 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 06:59:26 AM 1503 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 10:01:18 AM 1501 Views
Re: Now that you mention it, appearance might indeed be useful. - 06/08/2013 12:56:47 PM 1587 Views
I didn't have anything either. *NM* - 06/08/2013 01:02:46 PM 867 Views
No, I'm sorry, I don't - 06/08/2013 02:33:58 PM 1546 Views
No appearance was described in my role message. *NM* - 06/08/2013 08:45:51 PM 853 Views
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No, nothing on appearance *NM* - 07/08/2013 09:02:11 PM 853 Views
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List of remarks by the 'accused', plus some remarks on them - 06/08/2013 08:51:15 AM 1660 Views
explanation - 06/08/2013 09:05:55 AM 1540 Views
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Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 09:59:45 AM 1571 Views
Re: explanation - 06/08/2013 01:28:49 PM 1504 Views
I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 06/08/2013 10:00:22 AM 1519 Views
Re: I'm just surprised I'm not on the list. I was always a low poster... - 07/08/2013 07:48:34 PM 1450 Views
Your questions - 06/08/2013 02:59:16 PM 1550 Views
I apparently answered your questions backwards - 06/08/2013 03:06:06 PM 1483 Views
I would look at it a bit differently, even if the outcome doesn't change that much - 06/08/2013 03:55:12 PM 1540 Views
Well, I'm impressed - 06/08/2013 04:11:31 PM 1466 Views
I thank you for the compliment. - 06/08/2013 09:51:54 PM 1510 Views
Re: I thank you for the compliment. - 07/08/2013 01:53:25 AM 1476 Views
Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 11:08:21 AM 1485 Views
Re: Those are fair points - 07/08/2013 01:01:55 PM 1500 Views
Oh dear, this is unfortunate. - 07/08/2013 09:46:26 PM 1539 Views
I think you just killed Beetnemesis *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:56:16 PM 839 Views
Better him than me . *NM* - 07/08/2013 11:16:29 PM 837 Views
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nice analysis - 07/08/2013 10:25:20 AM 1403 Views
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Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 04:43:12 PM 1493 Views
Re: Beware of BAMF! (Out of town till Saturday) - 07/08/2013 05:34:04 PM 1492 Views
He really is... - 07/08/2013 04:55:59 PM 1468 Views
Re: He really is... - 07/08/2013 08:36:44 PM 1516 Views
Hm, that's not quite what I was thinking when I said that - 08/08/2013 08:49:11 PM 1396 Views
BAMF? - 07/08/2013 06:31:59 PM 1438 Views
It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:38:24 PM 1491 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:42:30 PM 1548 Views
Re: It's the onomatopoeia nightcrawler makes when he teleports - 07/08/2013 06:45:49 PM 1516 Views
When it comes to Marvel, it's Spidey and Deadpool all the way! X-Men. Pffft. - 07/08/2013 10:38:41 PM 1430 Views
Dr Doom was always my favorite hero in Marvel, but Deadpool is pretty cool *NM* - 07/08/2013 10:52:39 PM 809 Views
Dr Doom has cool costume, but other than that I don't know much about him. - 07/08/2013 11:37:09 PM 1431 Views
He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, only much cooler - 07/08/2013 11:48:00 PM 1405 Views
I'd actually say he's a bit more like Marvel's Superman than Marvel's Lex Luthor. - 07/08/2013 11:54:14 PM 1534 Views
I'm not a Marvel fan, but Doom is amazing. - 07/08/2013 11:52:09 PM 1429 Views
OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 04:49:33 PM 1488 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 05:44:09 PM 1531 Views
Well, you obviously know something, so out with it - 07/08/2013 06:33:04 PM 1466 Views
With that in mind... sounds like I hit too close to home, and you got sensitive - 08/08/2013 03:10:50 AM 1496 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis, Are you accusing me of being scum for pointing out your post had no substance? - 08/08/2013 03:39:25 AM 1559 Views
Re: - 08/08/2013 06:30:26 AM 1447 Views
Granted, as you yourself pointed out: attack is the best defense - 08/08/2013 08:17:31 AM 1392 Views
How often do we even have SKs? *NM* - 08/08/2013 09:39:58 AM 916 Views
This pushes it over the edge for me too. - 08/08/2013 01:13:21 PM 1449 Views
Hah. You got prickly pretty quickly. - 08/08/2013 07:39:24 PM 1461 Views
Prickly? I'm not touchy about it just suspiscious - 08/08/2013 08:01:39 PM 1428 Views
Re: OK, here I am! Some layout analysis: - 07/08/2013 06:38:45 PM 1456 Views
My feeling is that a "normal" game is pretty easy to balance - 08/08/2013 03:08:09 AM 1433 Views
re - 07/08/2013 08:36:15 PM 1455 Views
Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 04:31:26 PM 1476 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 05:44:54 PM 1454 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 07:51:09 PM 1500 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:02:45 PM 1460 Views
Re: Isn't it at the very least Roleclaim time? - 08/08/2013 08:05:52 PM 1591 Views
The thing we want to avoid is MASS roleclaim - 09/08/2013 08:30:32 AM 1398 Views
Okay, almost totally off topic but... - 07/08/2013 11:40:54 PM 1389 Views
The problem with that - 08/08/2013 08:09:56 AM 1462 Views
Re: The problem with that - 08/08/2013 05:02:56 PM 1444 Views
Reminds me of the Cairhien game a bit. - 08/08/2013 06:14:17 PM 1417 Views
That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 07:48:42 PM 1448 Views
I haaaated the Cairhien game - 08/08/2013 08:16:57 PM 1467 Views
Re: That remains one of my favorites - 08/08/2013 09:42:25 PM 1424 Views
Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 05:51:23 PM 1416 Views
My take: - 08/08/2013 08:00:13 PM 1600 Views
Did you just admit to being a scummer? - 08/08/2013 08:04:21 PM 1489 Views
Hah, remember when I mentioned grasping at straws? - 08/08/2013 09:31:35 PM 1431 Views
We have always used the term that way, always, that and only that back to game 2 - 08/08/2013 09:44:20 PM 1488 Views
Holy crap, 4 years ago. - 09/08/2013 02:09:09 AM 1342 Views
That's when you asked and were told by the Moderator, it has come up since then many times - 09/08/2013 04:10:28 AM 1427 Views
I can't be the only person laughing at you right now - 09/08/2013 05:44:03 PM 1431 Views
I doubt anyone is laughing including yourself - 09/08/2013 06:08:41 PM 1435 Views
No, he's correct. - 08/08/2013 09:53:43 PM 1549 Views
Re: My take: - 08/08/2013 08:12:46 PM 1529 Views
To be a student of Isaac is a subtle thing - 08/08/2013 09:30:02 PM 1391 Views
sure - 08/08/2013 08:44:06 PM 1437 Views
Hmm, my thoughts, - 08/08/2013 08:56:27 PM 1526 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 10:30:22 PM 1471 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 08/08/2013 11:18:56 PM 1518 Views
"Post count" usually acts as a tiebreaker - 09/08/2013 02:12:28 AM 1485 Views
I disagree - 09/08/2013 09:00:33 AM 1406 Views
Re: I disagree - 09/08/2013 11:25:29 AM 1390 Views
Several people have called for a roleclaim from beet - 09/08/2013 09:06:28 AM 1434 Views
I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 09:16:51 AM 1435 Views
Re: I feel like I'm missing something really obvious here... - 09/08/2013 03:18:38 PM 1497 Views
No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 03:49:21 PM 1398 Views
Re: No, I meant entrails. - 09/08/2013 04:05:31 PM 1443 Views
Ah. Well that definitely explains it. *NM* - 09/08/2013 04:49:55 PM 827 Views
That's awesome. *NM* - 09/08/2013 09:21:59 PM 817 Views
Re: Does anyone else have any opinions? - 09/08/2013 11:48:13 AM 1394 Views
I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 05:47:23 PM 1457 Views
Re: I'll point out that SKs were one of a few options I hypothesized - 09/08/2013 07:10:44 PM 1325 Views
OK, so the smiley was a typo - 09/08/2013 07:26:58 PM 1462 Views
I do, but - 09/08/2013 03:39:28 PM 1433 Views
RBIRL - 09/08/2013 05:50:21 AM 1445 Views
The case on Beetnemesis - 09/08/2013 05:05:32 PM 1569 Views
Ah good, time for a point-by-point rebuttal - 09/08/2013 06:04:11 PM 1469 Views
EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 06:14:25 PM 1529 Views
Actually... - 09/08/2013 06:38:26 PM 1477 Views
I can't see any difference with Isaac's "aggressiveness". *NM* - 09/08/2013 07:31:28 PM 897 Views
Re: EBWOP: A final point - 09/08/2013 07:55:19 PM 1538 Views
Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:04:40 PM 1516 Views
Shrug, I have nothing against roleclaiming. Roleclaim: Tracker - 09/08/2013 07:33:40 PM 1456 Views
Correct me if wrong... - 09/08/2013 08:39:58 PM 1483 Views
Exactly! - 09/08/2013 11:06:25 PM 1498 Views
Wow, I'm gone for 24 hours, - 11/08/2013 12:02:38 AM 1466 Views
No, you just did everything you could to avoid it, like claiming almost no one had asked... - 09/08/2013 08:42:10 PM 1555 Views
I think you're right. - 09/08/2013 11:47:32 PM 1687 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 07:49:12 PM 1455 Views
Re: Yet you still refuse to roleclaim, are you suicidal? - 09/08/2013 08:04:42 PM 1522 Views
too much mud - 09/08/2013 09:50:35 PM 1541 Views
Vote: Beetnemesis - 11/08/2013 10:32:51 AM 1630 Views
@ Mod, Vote Check - 11/08/2013 04:46:16 PM 1464 Views
That's a valid vote, I had missed it. Twilight pending. - 11/08/2013 05:36:13 PM 1427 Views
Actually, so did I. Did I hammer? - 11/08/2013 05:55:14 PM 1409 Views
Yes. *NM* - 11/08/2013 05:59:47 PM 722 Views
beetnemesis has been lynched. - 11/08/2013 05:52:43 PM 1512 Views

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