Excerpt from the novel Dead Beat -
"It's based on Code Duello," Bob said. "Well, technically it's based on much older rules that eventually inspired the Code Duello, but that's just chickens and eggs. Ortega is the challenger, and you're the challenged."
"I know that. I get to pick the weapons and the ground, right?"
"Wrong," Bob said. "You pick the weapons, but he gets to choose the time and location."
"Damn," I muttered. "I was going to take high noon out in a park somewhere. But I guess I can just say that we'll duel with magic."
"If it's one of the available choices. It almost always is."
"Who decides?"
"The vampires and the Council will pick from a list of neutral emissaries. The emissary decides."
I nodded. "So if I don't have it as an option I'm screwed, right? I mean, magic, wizard, kind of my bag."
Bob said. "Yeah, but be careful. It's got to be a weapon that he can use. If you pick one he can't, he can refuse it, and force you to take your second choice."
"Meaning what?"
"Meaning that regardless of what happens, if he doesn't want to fight you in magic, he won't have to. Ortega didn't get to be a warlord without thinking things through, Harry."
....
"Um. Okay. Look, I haven't exactly chosen a weapon yet, either. If I-"
"Simply choose one, Mister Dresden. Will, skill, energy, or flesh."
"Wait," I said. "I thought I got to pick swords or guns or something."
Ivy shook her head. "Read your copy of the Accords. I choose what is available, and I choose the ancient ways. You may match wills with your opponent to gauge which of you is the most determined. You may match your skill at arms against his, each of you with weaponry of your individual choosing. You may wield energy forces against each other. Or you may challenge him to unarmed combat." She considered. "I would advise against the last."
"Thanks," I muttered. "I'll take magic. Energy."
Failed Lynches and the Code Duello
Yes, a lynch can fail. When the hammer vote is cast the hammer’s RPS and the lynchee’s RPS are compared, no stats involved. If the hammer wins, the lynchee dies, end of story. If they are tied or the lynchee wins, that person may challenge the hammer to a duel. They have up to 24 hours after the hammer vote has been cast to issue the challenge, along with their ‘choice of weapons’, which is first choice and a second choice of the attributes, if they don’t get the challenge issued in those 24 hours, along with weapon choice, they forfeit the duel and die. The hammer can accept the duel or withdraw their vote, in which case play continues with the lynchee hanging on at L-1 and that player who cast the hammer vote can’t vote again for them that day. If the hammer doesn’t accept the duel within 24 hours of it being issued, he forfeits the duel.
Once the lynchee has issued the challenge with their first and second choice for weapons, the hammer can accept the lynchee’s first choice, or decline it and the second choice is automatically selected. So if the lynchee, or challenger, picks Energy and Skill, the hammer can accept Energy, or they can decline it and the duel will go to skill, they can’t decline that. Both players NB the mod rock, paper, scissors and the outcome of that RPS adds on to the relevant attribute for the duel. As the day is still proceeding both combatants and surviving players may continue to talk, offering suggestions, cheerleading, lying through their teeth, etc.
Outcome for the duel: If the hammer’s score ties or exceeds the lynchee’s score, the lynchee dies and the night phase is entered, done deal. If the hammer loses, night phase is entered, neither duelists dies, but the hammer owes the lynchee one ‘boon’. This boon takes the form of one question sent via NB to the mod and the hammer, to which the hammer must answer truthfully or decline, if they decline they may not target that player with a night action that night, nor vote for them the next day. Either may divulge what the exchange was, or lie about it, but they may not quote those NBs. The list of approved questions are:
What is your name?
What is you score in (pick an attribute)?
Did you take a night action on (pick a night)?
So the risk to a hammer from a duel is small but real, they can’t die from it directly but it can result in a serious disadvantage particularly if the lynchee is clever. The lynchee basically goes in to it with a 1 in 3 chance of being killed outright though (as opposed to a 100% chance of dying normally involved in a lynch) but a decent chance someone might be wary of hammering them or withdraw the vote rather than accept the duel. All things being equal the lynchee has less than even odds of surviving the duel too, in terms of pure randomness (though they get to choose weapons) and if the hammer withdraws their vote by declining the duel, someone who wants you dead and feels pretty confident might unvote and ask a non-voter to vote so they can hammer you and go for the duel. Keep in mind that stats are primarily character driven, not role related, and everyone has that ‘free point’. Also keep in mind that if you win a boon, and the hammer chooses to answer you, nothing is stopping them from stabbing you in the eyeball that night if they have a NK, or voting for you the next day with a better idea of what your strengths are, or telling everyone that they had rock as their RPS choice and so you can’t be scissors or you’d be dead, albeit it telling that truthfully makes them pretty vulnerable. There's no limit on the number of times this can happen in a day, beyond that a person can't vote again that day for someone they hammered, so you can literally dogpile someone via repeated challenges by various players. Keep in mind though that if they survive to challenge someone for a duel, and win the duel, the day ends. You can only dogpile if hammers withdraw their vote rather than duel.
"It's based on Code Duello," Bob said. "Well, technically it's based on much older rules that eventually inspired the Code Duello, but that's just chickens and eggs. Ortega is the challenger, and you're the challenged."
"I know that. I get to pick the weapons and the ground, right?"
"Wrong," Bob said. "You pick the weapons, but he gets to choose the time and location."
"Damn," I muttered. "I was going to take high noon out in a park somewhere. But I guess I can just say that we'll duel with magic."
"If it's one of the available choices. It almost always is."
"Who decides?"
"The vampires and the Council will pick from a list of neutral emissaries. The emissary decides."
I nodded. "So if I don't have it as an option I'm screwed, right? I mean, magic, wizard, kind of my bag."
Bob said. "Yeah, but be careful. It's got to be a weapon that he can use. If you pick one he can't, he can refuse it, and force you to take your second choice."
"Meaning what?"
"Meaning that regardless of what happens, if he doesn't want to fight you in magic, he won't have to. Ortega didn't get to be a warlord without thinking things through, Harry."
....
"Um. Okay. Look, I haven't exactly chosen a weapon yet, either. If I-"
"Simply choose one, Mister Dresden. Will, skill, energy, or flesh."
"Wait," I said. "I thought I got to pick swords or guns or something."
Ivy shook her head. "Read your copy of the Accords. I choose what is available, and I choose the ancient ways. You may match wills with your opponent to gauge which of you is the most determined. You may match your skill at arms against his, each of you with weaponry of your individual choosing. You may wield energy forces against each other. Or you may challenge him to unarmed combat." She considered. "I would advise against the last."
"Thanks," I muttered. "I'll take magic. Energy."
Failed Lynches and the Code Duello
Yes, a lynch can fail. When the hammer vote is cast the hammer’s RPS and the lynchee’s RPS are compared, no stats involved. If the hammer wins, the lynchee dies, end of story. If they are tied or the lynchee wins, that person may challenge the hammer to a duel. They have up to 24 hours after the hammer vote has been cast to issue the challenge, along with their ‘choice of weapons’, which is first choice and a second choice of the attributes, if they don’t get the challenge issued in those 24 hours, along with weapon choice, they forfeit the duel and die. The hammer can accept the duel or withdraw their vote, in which case play continues with the lynchee hanging on at L-1 and that player who cast the hammer vote can’t vote again for them that day. If the hammer doesn’t accept the duel within 24 hours of it being issued, he forfeits the duel.
Once the lynchee has issued the challenge with their first and second choice for weapons, the hammer can accept the lynchee’s first choice, or decline it and the second choice is automatically selected. So if the lynchee, or challenger, picks Energy and Skill, the hammer can accept Energy, or they can decline it and the duel will go to skill, they can’t decline that. Both players NB the mod rock, paper, scissors and the outcome of that RPS adds on to the relevant attribute for the duel. As the day is still proceeding both combatants and surviving players may continue to talk, offering suggestions, cheerleading, lying through their teeth, etc.
Outcome for the duel: If the hammer’s score ties or exceeds the lynchee’s score, the lynchee dies and the night phase is entered, done deal. If the hammer loses, night phase is entered, neither duelists dies, but the hammer owes the lynchee one ‘boon’. This boon takes the form of one question sent via NB to the mod and the hammer, to which the hammer must answer truthfully or decline, if they decline they may not target that player with a night action that night, nor vote for them the next day. Either may divulge what the exchange was, or lie about it, but they may not quote those NBs. The list of approved questions are:
What is your name?
What is you score in (pick an attribute)?
Did you take a night action on (pick a night)?
So the risk to a hammer from a duel is small but real, they can’t die from it directly but it can result in a serious disadvantage particularly if the lynchee is clever. The lynchee basically goes in to it with a 1 in 3 chance of being killed outright though (as opposed to a 100% chance of dying normally involved in a lynch) but a decent chance someone might be wary of hammering them or withdraw the vote rather than accept the duel. All things being equal the lynchee has less than even odds of surviving the duel too, in terms of pure randomness (though they get to choose weapons) and if the hammer withdraws their vote by declining the duel, someone who wants you dead and feels pretty confident might unvote and ask a non-voter to vote so they can hammer you and go for the duel. Keep in mind that stats are primarily character driven, not role related, and everyone has that ‘free point’. Also keep in mind that if you win a boon, and the hammer chooses to answer you, nothing is stopping them from stabbing you in the eyeball that night if they have a NK, or voting for you the next day with a better idea of what your strengths are, or telling everyone that they had rock as their RPS choice and so you can’t be scissors or you’d be dead, albeit it telling that truthfully makes them pretty vulnerable. There's no limit on the number of times this can happen in a day, beyond that a person can't vote again that day for someone they hammered, so you can literally dogpile someone via repeated challenges by various players. Keep in mind though that if they survive to challenge someone for a duel, and win the duel, the day ends. You can only dogpile if hammers withdraw their vote rather than duel.
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
This message last edited by Isaac on 29/07/2011 at 04:25:23 AM
Game 23: The Dresden Files Day 1 - Stormfront (Day Over)
25/07/2011 12:52:19 AM
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Notes from Mod: Update 3
25/07/2011 12:52:45 AM
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What's the Code Duello?
25/07/2011 12:53:40 AM
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Er. OK. Well, to start things off...
25/07/2011 03:32:21 AM
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I'd actually like to say that I'm guessing half-humans and half-whatever might as well choose human
25/07/2011 07:14:15 PM
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I'm human.
25/07/2011 09:49:57 PM
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I agree, especially because Isaac has specifically countered this type of thinking.
26/07/2011 02:02:30 AM
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Speaking of sides
26/07/2011 03:32:10 AM
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Hm. OK, without spoilers, here's some background information
26/07/2011 01:56:43 PM
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Oh, I'll also note that not everything supernatural is malicious
26/07/2011 02:06:22 PM
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You know, I've never understood that.
26/07/2011 07:35:47 PM
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I think it was that movie Brotherhood of the Wolf (Le pacte des loups)
26/07/2011 09:18:54 PM
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Right then, some more thoughts
27/07/2011 02:20:32 PM
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Re: Right then, some more thoughts
27/07/2011 03:50:51 PM
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Hm. What are some other avenues?
27/07/2011 02:23:36 PM
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I don't think random qquestion would be great here
27/07/2011 03:29:05 PM
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Should we ask that? "On a scale of 1-10, how familiar are you with the books?"
27/07/2011 06:28:18 PM
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Re: Should we ask that? "On a scale of 1-10, how familiar are you with the books?"
27/07/2011 06:33:32 PM
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Should we ask that? "On a scale of 1-10, how familiar are you with the books?"
27/07/2011 06:35:25 PM
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On a scale of 1-10, how familiar are you with the books? (CHART)
27/07/2011 06:40:15 PM
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Like I said in an earlier thread, I've read the first book and watched 2/3 the series. *NM*
28/07/2011 12:07:06 AM
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Interlude 1
28/07/2011 02:08:46 AM
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Interlude Conclusion
29/07/2011 02:23:35 AM
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*cough*
30/07/2011 10:02:50 PM
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Very confused right now...
30/07/2011 10:47:31 PM
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This is discussed in the updates, particular #2... the posts with the lightsabers *NM*
30/07/2011 11:37:41 PM
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Did any of you have a reason for following who you did or was it just a random choice?
01/08/2011 01:14:13 PM
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So, where did you go? *NM*
01/08/2011 09:21:05 PM
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Derp, for some reason I missed your response above. Ignore, please. *NM*
01/08/2011 09:21:47 PM
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I followed Sheridan...
01/08/2011 09:44:42 PM
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Well, OK- we've got 5 more days, let's try to make some headway.
01/08/2011 01:39:48 PM
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Re: Well, OK- we've got 5 more days, let's try to make some headway.
01/08/2011 01:56:45 PM
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It might be me...
01/08/2011 03:51:50 PM
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If you're constantly RBIRL, why would lynching you be a mistake?
01/08/2011 03:55:42 PM
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Re: If you're constantly RBIRL, why would lynching you be a mistake?
01/08/2011 11:51:39 PM
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Seems suboptimal.
01/08/2011 09:50:38 PM
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Re: Seems suboptimal.
01/08/2011 11:52:55 PM
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Everybody.
02/08/2011 04:08:53 AM
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How about this?
02/08/2011 01:41:57 PM
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Fair enough. I forgot we had a deadline.
02/08/2011 06:28:04 PM
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Re: Fair enough. I forgot we had a deadline.
02/08/2011 06:33:46 PM
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someone was in the room with him when i got there
02/08/2011 10:31:35 PM
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What were they doing?
02/08/2011 11:11:56 PM
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i don't know
02/08/2011 11:18:37 PM
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Ooh. That sounds like a good basis for a semi-random lynch right there.
01/08/2011 11:56:20 PM
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Also though, I do agree with your conclusions to a point,
01/08/2011 11:58:37 PM
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Another possibility
02/08/2011 01:47:07 AM
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Re: Another possibility
02/08/2011 01:40:23 PM
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True- he DID have a "Ritual Knife," after all
02/08/2011 01:59:43 PM
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I'm under the impression someone is lying out of Sheridan's group.
03/08/2011 02:18:45 AM
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My thoughts are quite similar.
03/08/2011 03:41:15 AM
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Re: My thoughts are quite similar.
03/08/2011 01:25:59 PM
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That's not how initiative worked- rana could have shown up first
03/08/2011 02:25:24 PM
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Re: That's not how initiative worked- rana could have shown up first
03/08/2011 03:47:17 PM
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Would you mind breaking it down into a simple timeline?
03/08/2011 04:08:52 AM
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Re: Would you mind breaking it down into a simple timeline?
03/08/2011 01:19:34 PM
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Cool, thanks. Unfortunately, I still think anyone could be guilty.
03/08/2011 02:33:06 PM
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Right now, we have about 2.5 days left.
04/08/2011 01:12:06 PM
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Hm. I honestly suspect everyone pretty equally
04/08/2011 02:10:59 PM
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im holding my vote for now
04/08/2011 11:41:10 PM
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I would but I feel like that woul dbe irrelevant for this lynch anyway so why bother?
05/08/2011 01:21:29 AM
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Right, so we're down to the wire- ranagrande or Yuna? *NM*
05/08/2011 01:45:55 PM
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Not sure, though I'd err toward rana.
05/08/2011 02:00:29 PM
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Ok, I think its time we try and do something
05/08/2011 06:43:37 PM
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I'm calling for a RC of ranagrande before we pull the trigger.
05/08/2011 06:58:26 PM
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As I said, lynching me would be a mistake.
06/08/2011 01:41:31 PM
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Haha, what?
06/08/2011 02:14:51 PM
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I think he's trying to say he's a notorious busser. *NM*
06/08/2011 02:54:29 PM
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what a thing to be proud of *waggles finger at rana* boo hiss boo *NM*
06/08/2011 05:03:03 PM
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Vote: ranagrande
06/08/2011 08:50:40 PM
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I won't stand for this! I challenge you to a duel! *NM*
06/08/2011 08:51:12 PM
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Very well. I accept. *NM*
06/08/2011 08:51:30 PM
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Huh, I confess I didn't actually think of that
06/08/2011 08:57:32 PM
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...
06/08/2011 09:03:20 PM
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lol you could just make it so a play can't vote for themselves.
06/08/2011 09:17:08 PM
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That's probably what I'll have to do
06/08/2011 09:33:55 PM
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Ha, ha, ha! Genius! *NM*
06/08/2011 10:08:30 PM
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clearly Genius has turned to madness *NM*
06/08/2011 10:13:58 PM
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Same thing really. Genius is madness to those who can't appreciate it .
06/08/2011 10:18:26 PM
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Roleclaim.
06/08/2011 09:12:29 PM
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Re: Roleclaim.
07/08/2011 02:34:35 AM
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True. Actions speak louder than words, in this case.
07/08/2011 09:25:26 PM
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Lynch Reached - Duel Pending
08/08/2011 12:26:25 AM
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Eh, I'm busy anyway.
08/08/2011 01:50:30 AM
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