I should also note before I start, we need to go ahead and hypocop if we plan to do that before we forget, and I'd rather someone else handled that since I'm not expecting to be around much this weekend.
Okay, where to start? I don't think the three of them are in cahoots, so odds are 1, 2 or all three of them are townies, not zero. There are a lot of peculiarities here that draw my eye.
1) There's still the improbability of the gender assignments, and Yuna had a character-specific role, not a random gal plucked out of the bag to avoid pronoun confusion. Beet asked and answered the gender question first, and non-visibly, Yuna second and DK third.
2) FT has claimed Odysseus, Beetnemesis claims to know Odysseus, and there's a very short list of female character to match that, one of them also matches up to one of DK's also short list of viable options, and DK said she knew of her character and Beet said his was well-known. Can't say for sure DK's is well-known, she might be a Greek mythology buff, but that seems indicated and thus far they've all been pretty major that we know of.
3) Beet is now pushing toward DK on the 'Bad Girls' hypothesis, and FT backed it strongly. Not super-strong, a first vote from FT is more common than from anyone else except maybe me, and on the other hand, almost everyone he's voted first for has died that day, so it's not exactly a light prod either.
4) Not too related, but FT's Author question was non-obvious, almost makes me wonder if he's out for revenge on Homer or something.
5) The claim itself, it is not like FT to reveal info on day 1 about himself except under pressure, except for the Miller Claim in Gher's game which presumably didn't encourage future reveals. Why claim as Odysseus? Was it just because Beet had claimed to know him shortly before that? I can't see him just revealing that without a motive
6) Isn't it odd that FT-Odysseus, who with the exception of his wife usually had very bad times from women, seems more suspicious of the person who claims an era before his as opposed to the person who outright claims to have interacted with him?
So, none of this is actually 'suspicious', and pretty much any alignment combination is possible besides it being unlikely DK is scummer allied to any of them, but there's too many peculiarities here and I'm inclined to think that character claims by Beet and DK might answer them, it also seems like we're headed that way anyway, pressure's on DK but if she reveals we'll obviously make Beet reveal too unless hers just screams evil-bad, so while I make no demand for character reveals at this time - and this is genuinely not an accusation at any of them - I do feel character claims by both now are the best way to proceed. I feel pretty strongly something is afoot here, and I feel FT doesn't really have anything left to reveal that strikes me as both pertinent and safe to reveal or likely to be willing and truthfully revealed, so no real questions for him, though if he can offer any alternate light on the points I raised I'd appreciate it. Again, this doesn't so much scream 'scum' as 'odd', so I think we should clear it up now if possible.
Okay, where to start? I don't think the three of them are in cahoots, so odds are 1, 2 or all three of them are townies, not zero. There are a lot of peculiarities here that draw my eye.
1) There's still the improbability of the gender assignments, and Yuna had a character-specific role, not a random gal plucked out of the bag to avoid pronoun confusion. Beet asked and answered the gender question first, and non-visibly, Yuna second and DK third.
2) FT has claimed Odysseus, Beetnemesis claims to know Odysseus, and there's a very short list of female character to match that, one of them also matches up to one of DK's also short list of viable options, and DK said she knew of her character and Beet said his was well-known. Can't say for sure DK's is well-known, she might be a Greek mythology buff, but that seems indicated and thus far they've all been pretty major that we know of.
3) Beet is now pushing toward DK on the 'Bad Girls' hypothesis, and FT backed it strongly. Not super-strong, a first vote from FT is more common than from anyone else except maybe me, and on the other hand, almost everyone he's voted first for has died that day, so it's not exactly a light prod either.
4) Not too related, but FT's Author question was non-obvious, almost makes me wonder if he's out for revenge on Homer or something.
5) The claim itself, it is not like FT to reveal info on day 1 about himself except under pressure, except for the Miller Claim in Gher's game which presumably didn't encourage future reveals. Why claim as Odysseus? Was it just because Beet had claimed to know him shortly before that? I can't see him just revealing that without a motive
6) Isn't it odd that FT-Odysseus, who with the exception of his wife usually had very bad times from women, seems more suspicious of the person who claims an era before his as opposed to the person who outright claims to have interacted with him?
So, none of this is actually 'suspicious', and pretty much any alignment combination is possible besides it being unlikely DK is scummer allied to any of them, but there's too many peculiarities here and I'm inclined to think that character claims by Beet and DK might answer them, it also seems like we're headed that way anyway, pressure's on DK but if she reveals we'll obviously make Beet reveal too unless hers just screams evil-bad, so while I make no demand for character reveals at this time - and this is genuinely not an accusation at any of them - I do feel character claims by both now are the best way to proceed. I feel pretty strongly something is afoot here, and I feel FT doesn't really have anything left to reveal that strikes me as both pertinent and safe to reveal or likely to be willing and truthfully revealed, so no real questions for him, though if he can offer any alternate light on the points I raised I'd appreciate it. Again, this doesn't so much scream 'scum' as 'odd', so I think we should clear it up now if possible.
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- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
- Albert Einstein
King of Cairhien 20-7-2
Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
Mafia 22: Day 2 - Get the Ball Rolling
- 05/05/2011 07:29:12 PM
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Well, I guess that's for the best.
- 05/05/2011 07:46:52 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's not a worst case scenario
- 05/05/2011 08:19:50 PM
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Actually, probably best thing that could have happened, to be honest.
- 05/05/2011 08:36:57 PM
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OK, so the Bergioyn thing was kind of a bust
- 06/05/2011 04:58:14 AM
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I am against this plan.
- 06/05/2011 05:53:27 AM
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I'm inclined to agree with beetnemesis, actually.
- 06/05/2011 08:27:54 AM
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Are you really that sure that DK is evil to vote?
- 06/05/2011 12:24:21 PM
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Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 02:04:01 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 03:01:55 AM
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Re: Okay, right now I'm looking at Beet, FT, and DK
- 07/05/2011 05:10:09 AM
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A roleclaim seems pretty reasonable
- 07/05/2011 07:00:53 AM
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I think he wants identity claims, not roleclaims. Otherwise he'd have asked for mine too. *NM*
- 07/05/2011 07:15:50 AM
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Yes, just character *NM*
- 07/05/2011 02:22:50 PM
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Ah, that's probably better.
- 07/05/2011 06:46:03 PM
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Well, if DK is RBIRL,
- 07/05/2011 08:06:04 PM
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I could
- 08/05/2011 07:06:44 PM
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Would you mind coding it beforehand?
- 08/05/2011 08:59:16 PM
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I agree. A code would be ideal here.
- 08/05/2011 10:14:54 PM
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Good idea. OK, here it is.
- 09/05/2011 12:28:08 AM
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When you say you "don't like doing codes a lot", does that mean you don't want all of us to do it?
- 09/05/2011 06:30:52 PM
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Certainly, I'll enlighten as best I can.
- 07/05/2011 07:15:03 AM
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Yeah, we haven't waited for a modkill in a while. I think that's a problem we need to work on
- 07/05/2011 04:32:41 PM
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Okay, that pretty much answered all my questions
- 07/05/2011 04:44:34 PM
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Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 01:48:19 AM
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Re: Le Sigh
- 10/05/2011 04:03:47 AM
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Everybody in Greek myth is drenched in blood.
- 10/05/2011 04:24:14 AM
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And we don't really have a clue what we're looking for in the scum either.
- 10/05/2011 06:45:09 PM
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OK, and my decryption:
- 10/05/2011 05:42:32 AM
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Code checks, let's go ahead an audit them
- 10/05/2011 07:22:36 AM
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Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:09:20 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 04:19:55 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 05:46:49 AM
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Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 06:17:51 AM
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Re: Alexander seems a bit off-flavor, but I can see Leonidas as a possibility
- 11/05/2011 07:04:08 PM
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I've a feeling we could probably exclude the Persians
- 11/05/2011 07:20:58 PM
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You can go ahead and do that.
- 11/05/2011 09:17:11 PM
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Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 10:02:14 PM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 11/05/2011 11:21:44 PM
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I was referring to ranagrande's "Have you heard of your character" question
- 12/05/2011 12:39:55 AM
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If you guys are going to guess what my character is, why not jsut ask me to character claim?
- 12/05/2011 02:53:17 AM
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Re: Plus, there's the whole "well-known" thing
- 12/05/2011 03:29:52 AM
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I think Troy was in Asia
- 12/05/2011 03:53:13 AM
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Yes, it's in Anatolia.
- 12/05/2011 04:50:06 AM
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So I wikipediaed it.
- 12/05/2011 05:23:37 AM
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Wow, 'historicity' is a word, I never knew that
- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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- 12/05/2011 05:43:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm not opposed, I had just always assumed the Trojans were Greeks, so I was surprised.
- 12/05/2011 05:54:24 AM
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Re: Eh... I'm open to pursuing other avenues, as long as we don't rule out DK
- 11/05/2011 09:16:11 PM
1001 Views
I actually believe Katie.
- 11/05/2011 01:11:17 AM
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I think most of us do, but I don't think you've contemplated the facts thoroughly
- 11/05/2011 03:53:30 AM
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So...
- 11/05/2011 03:11:35 AM
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Re: So...
- 11/05/2011 03:51:57 AM
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Wait, we have that?
- 11/05/2011 04:44:10 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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- 11/05/2011 05:13:50 AM
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Yea, I tend to skim when your posts get too long, unless their life-or-death, so to speak. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 06:45:07 AM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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One might note that when they get 'too long', there's generally a reason they did
- 11/05/2011 06:57:38 PM
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Yes, but sometimes that reason is that you want to bury suspicions in a wall of text
. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
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. *NM*
- 11/05/2011 11:20:01 PM
608 Views
Probably not
- 11/05/2011 11:56:11 PM
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I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to decide of you are serious or not.
- 11/05/2011 05:36:59 AM
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My character claim.
- 12/05/2011 02:27:03 PM
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Good job at making yourself incredibly suspicious
- 12/05/2011 03:24:18 PM
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BUM BUM BUMMMMMMMMMMMMM
- 12/05/2011 04:17:51 PM
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Yeah, that probably requires some explaining away
- 12/05/2011 09:13:39 PM
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Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:27:55 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 12/05/2011 11:57:58 PM
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Re: Not true this time.
- 13/05/2011 12:01:46 AM
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Pretty much that you're wrong
- 13/05/2011 01:14:28 AM
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I am wrong, judging by Hobo's post
- 13/05/2011 01:24:38 AM
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I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:36:28 AM
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Re: I admit this is possible, but...
- 13/05/2011 01:46:51 AM
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2 things about that.
- 12/05/2011 11:26:14 PM
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This is an easy misunderstanding.
- 13/05/2011 12:24:52 AM
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Actually, can we get a quick headcount?
- 15/05/2011 12:10:11 AM
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Yo.
- 15/05/2011 01:15:05 AM
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We seem to have reached an impasse
- 17/05/2011 01:07:29 PM
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Option Pick (Table)
- 17/05/2011 11:13:07 PM
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Yeah, I'm not specially fond of roleclaiming this early in the game.
- 18/05/2011 01:51:36 AM
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Okay Fox, it looks like it's gonna be you
- 19/05/2011 03:32:47 AM
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I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:02:21 AM
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Re: I guess that's plausible
- 19/05/2011 06:19:57 AM
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It is a strategy that is most valuable the earlier you use it though.
- 19/05/2011 06:39:29 AM
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I say don't RC yet. Wait for us to discuss my claim and where to go from here. *NM*
- 19/05/2011 03:35:49 PM
606 Views
Okay, cop claim in play, so what do we want to do?
- 19/05/2011 06:01:55 AM
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Even if he has been outed as the cop
- 19/05/2011 06:24:31 AM
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Hm. The roleblocker is a pretty big thing. If one of us is cop though, come foward
- 19/05/2011 06:54:30 AM
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It also ties up their roleblocker though.
- 19/05/2011 06:56:29 AM
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The one thing that makes me slightly suspect the claim
- 19/05/2011 12:49:38 PM
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Nevermind
- 19/05/2011 12:51:44 PM
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Anyway, you would think that because of my previously flub ups, I'd learn.
- 19/05/2011 03:43:09 PM
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"Because I've demonstrated a penchant for making mistakes, obviously this time is for real."
- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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- 19/05/2011 06:21:17 PM
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OK then, I'll RC
- 20/05/2011 07:23:07 PM
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Makes sense to me.
- 22/05/2011 05:43:56 PM
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I'm the cop.
- 22/05/2011 09:50:11 PM
1139 Views
Well this was easier than expected.
- 22/05/2011 10:24:52 PM
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Wow, yeah. Wtf is this? Vote: Darth Katie. *NM*
- 23/05/2011 12:15:14 AM
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Hmm...
- 23/05/2011 01:42:32 AM
1140 Views
We can make an argument to lynch her purely off the "lynch all liars" rule as F-T said.
- 23/05/2011 02:10:11 AM
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*Hits self in the face repeatedly*
- 23/05/2011 09:19:40 AM
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Did I mention I didn't get a lot of sleep last night?
- 23/05/2011 09:25:15 AM
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I can believe that at least
- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
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- 23/05/2011 10:29:12 AM
1099 Views
Oh please
- 23/05/2011 02:35:28 PM
1098 Views
This would all be more believable
- 23/05/2011 03:32:31 PM
960 Views
I didn't remember that about Option B
- 23/05/2011 03:52:11 PM
1060 Views
I will *Unvote* for now
- 23/05/2011 05:42:22 PM
1139 Views
You don't approve of a doctor that can protect himself?
- 23/05/2011 11:23:58 PM
1038 Views
Yeah, this is what I expected the other plausible screw-up to be.
- 23/05/2011 07:10:46 PM
999 Views
So... Fox and DK have both claimed cop?
- 23/05/2011 02:34:30 AM
1040 Views
Well, now the switch around to a Doc claim.
- 23/05/2011 03:56:48 PM
977 Views
He's Beloved though (if he's not scum)
- 23/05/2011 04:07:06 PM
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Yeah, this whole thing didn't really work out too well
- 23/05/2011 04:38:30 PM
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It's been an unmitigated disaster
- 23/05/2011 06:01:23 PM
997 Views
So, uh... Wow.
- 23/05/2011 07:38:36 PM
1039 Views
Before this Mass RC idea takes hold...
- 23/05/2011 07:59:18 PM
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All right...
- 23/05/2011 08:29:28 PM
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Possibly
- 23/05/2011 08:51:52 PM
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Was it Kronin or Gher that did the whole "everyone is a robot with a Backup Role" game?
- 23/05/2011 11:28:05 PM
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I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:21:26 PM
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Re: I want to start off by saying that I believe DK.
- 23/05/2011 08:41:10 PM
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Another point against Isaac:
- 23/05/2011 11:32:14 PM
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Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 23/05/2011 11:54:19 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't suspect either you or DK, you brought that up
- 24/05/2011 12:28:24 AM
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So, seeing no objections to the mass character claim, let's start!
- 26/05/2011 01:16:36 AM
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Character Claims (table)
- 26/05/2011 02:48:44 AM
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Okay here goes.
- 26/05/2011 09:32:59 PM
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I'm Zeno. *NM*
- 27/05/2011 01:40:47 AM
616 Views
How paradoxical... I actually thought Xena for a moment
- 27/05/2011 03:08:57 AM
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I guess Xena is close, though it might take a while to get from there to Zeno.
- 27/05/2011 05:55:32 AM
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All right
- 28/05/2011 10:33:48 PM
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Re: All right
- 29/05/2011 12:42:12 AM
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Re: All right
- 31/05/2011 07:09:31 AM
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Heh, looks like I'm holding out for no particular reason.
- 30/05/2011 07:11:21 PM
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Kronin, what are we doing about Scott's continued absence?
- 29/05/2011 11:38:52 PM
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Yeah, I've been waiting on Scott's situation to resolve before doing anything
- 30/05/2011 02:04:07 AM
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Vote: Scott Blademaster
- 30/05/2011 10:23:50 PM
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While I generally agree with your reasoning...
- 31/05/2011 12:10:35 AM
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I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 12:28:44 AM
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Re: I was actually thinking along extremely similar lines before we started doing character claims.
- 31/05/2011 01:28:49 AM
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I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:08:26 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 01:35:31 AM
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Re: I believe the point of Socrates trial was that he was falsely accused
- 31/05/2011 03:28:20 AM
1082 Views
Meh, I'm not exactly averse to lynching Scott...
- 31/05/2011 05:25:14 AM
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So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 04:02:14 PM
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I'm a bit confused at the moment.
- 31/05/2011 06:27:26 PM
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Obviously, I would be against lynching me.
- 31/05/2011 07:41:15 PM
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I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 31/05/2011 10:11:32 PM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 12:37:36 AM
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Re: I think DK and Fox are telling the truth, simply because we've had no contradictions
- 01/06/2011 09:27:32 PM
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Re: So, the way I see it, we have two (well, three) options for our lynch
- 31/05/2011 08:13:17 PM
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Responses!
- 31/05/2011 10:41:38 PM
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Re: Responses!
- 01/06/2011 02:32:22 AM
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That is an awful lot of talking to refute me
- 01/06/2011 04:41:13 AM
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I could go find my mallet again if brevity is desired, glad you've acknowledged I refuted you though
- 01/06/2011 05:18:46 AM
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About ?
- 01/06/2011 09:41:44 PM
1074 Views
Huh, that was way more revealing than expected
- 01/06/2011 10:30:55 PM
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It IS pretty hard to say "Oh, well he's a new player" at this point *NM*
- 02/06/2011 12:40:32 AM
571 Views
Kronin actually hasn't answered my question about last Night yet.
- 02/06/2011 03:17:05 AM
985 Views
Well, I do sincerely doubt a philosopher's ring is in play
- 31/05/2011 10:39:41 PM
1092 Views
Ohhhh! You know, I looked up a bunch of famous Spartans on Wikipedia when I read that
- 31/05/2011 10:44:05 PM
1097 Views
I'm decently suspicious of ranagrande.
- 01/06/2011 03:55:26 PM
1123 Views
True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 06:47:36 PM
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Re: True- as long as DK protects you, you've got at least one more night
- 01/06/2011 08:36:40 PM
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Hey, sorry all.
- 02/06/2011 04:45:45 AM
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No questions in particular
- 02/06/2011 05:10:52 AM
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Thoughts
- 02/06/2011 05:09:37 AM
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So couple of things:
- 02/06/2011 09:05:16 AM
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Well, basically DK's "Thoughts" post sums up my thoughts pretty well.
- 03/06/2011 01:34:52 AM
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Yeah, he seems to be prime suspect.
- 03/06/2011 12:48:30 PM
1055 Views
I will also Vote: ?
- 04/06/2011 01:56:32 AM
1021 Views
Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched. *NM*
- 04/06/2011 03:14:43 AM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 12:18:53 PM
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Re: Hold off now everyone. We don't want him accidentally lynched.
- 04/06/2011 02:28:49 PM
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So, our titular rolling ball seems to be headed straight at ?. ?, do you have any thoughts? *NM*
- 03/06/2011 02:53:37 AM
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I am ?'s Mason Partner.
- 04/06/2011 06:44:26 PM
1096 Views
I am itching to vote for him right now.
- 04/06/2011 07:01:34 PM
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That's true. Not only did he prematurely roleclaim, he prematurely FALSELY roleclaimed *NM*
- 04/06/2011 09:06:22 PM
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In my opinion that doesn't help him at all.
- 04/06/2011 07:41:00 PM
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I don't think there's much point in waiting on ? anymore
- 04/06/2011 09:31:26 PM
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I do agree...BUUUUTTTT
- 04/06/2011 09:58:09 PM
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Vote: ?
- 05/06/2011 12:56:57 AM
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I WOULD like to hear what ? has to say... but he's certainly taking his sweet time
- 05/06/2011 01:19:42 AM
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Twilight
- 05/06/2011 08:42:02 PM
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Re: Twilight
- 05/06/2011 09:13:07 PM
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Scott, being dead, was not included in the VNTL. *NM*
- 05/06/2011 10:26:22 PM
569 Views
I think he meant 'what was Scott?' *NM*
- 06/06/2011 12:27:07 AM
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I suppose this place is as good as any to say, Happy Birthday Gher! *NM*
- 06/06/2011 08:26:56 PM
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*NM*