We might as well start coming up with Criteria for the Attrition List (Table)
Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/04/2011 06:17:51 PM
C seems to be our leading candidate right now, some support for A and B (and F of course, we obviously all like F) and both B and C require that attrition list, so we may as well come up with Criteria. I think we need 5 or more of these, and I think its vital that we not discuss who is on it until we have a list. So we need suggestions, and we need to pick over the phrasing and method for determination. I would say that the loose criteria for selecting these criteria is that the players on the top of the list have taken actions which if townie indicating an active and/or skilled attempt to help the town. We all know posting a lot does not in of itself indicate someone is town, but rather we know posting very little does not help the town. So keep that in mind for criteria suggestions.
Our two usual obvious ones are always 'post count' and 'non-NM post count', so I'll throw those on as automatics, they're also easier to figure out and not something we can really dispute like 'useful question'.
Confirmed Criteria
Post Count
Non-NM Post Count
Suggested Criteria
Has not suggested any questions, expanding to 'has not suggested any questions that were used'
Has said something, or suggested something, which was a really bad idea if pursued (Extreme example: "Hey, the doc should role claim" ) or done something usually regarded as somewhat anti-town like claiming vanilla.
Answered questions later than most
Has a bad track record of voting for townies when they were a townie
Has a bad track record of under-utilizing a role power when they had it.
Note that I'm not specifically endorsing those suggestions up there at the moment and they are there more for examples to get the brain juices flowing, don't worry if it might produce a bad result for a given case, we're not agreeing to shut our brains off and blindly lynch someone if they have an obvious and excusable reason for showing up on the list. Note the common theme though, I don't really like the very last one, but all things being equal I'd rather keep a player who made good decision when a doc then one who dropped four townies when a vig, and the reason I don't really like it as a question is because there's a lot of randomness factoring into whether or not something is regarded in hindsight as a good move, but it's a gauge that would indicate that if someone had a role this game they'd be likely to make good use of it, and that's a good reason to keep them around.
Our two usual obvious ones are always 'post count' and 'non-NM post count', so I'll throw those on as automatics, they're also easier to figure out and not something we can really dispute like 'useful question'.
Confirmed Criteria
Post Count
Non-NM Post Count
Suggested Criteria
Has not suggested any questions, expanding to 'has not suggested any questions that were used'
Has said something, or suggested something, which was a really bad idea if pursued (Extreme example: "Hey, the doc should role claim" ) or done something usually regarded as somewhat anti-town like claiming vanilla.
Answered questions later than most
Has a bad track record of voting for townies when they were a townie
Has a bad track record of under-utilizing a role power when they had it.
Note that I'm not specifically endorsing those suggestions up there at the moment and they are there more for examples to get the brain juices flowing, don't worry if it might produce a bad result for a given case, we're not agreeing to shut our brains off and blindly lynch someone if they have an obvious and excusable reason for showing up on the list. Note the common theme though, I don't really like the very last one, but all things being equal I'd rather keep a player who made good decision when a doc then one who dropped four townies when a vig, and the reason I don't really like it as a question is because there's a lot of randomness factoring into whether or not something is regarded in hindsight as a good move, but it's a gauge that would indicate that if someone had a role this game they'd be likely to make good use of it, and that's a good reason to keep them around.
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Mafia 22: It's Actually Starting!
06/04/2011 04:16:43 AM
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Hah, awesome concept
06/04/2011 04:30:30 AM
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Ok, let's begin.
06/04/2011 04:53:15 AM
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I think that's a safe bet
06/04/2011 05:03:38 AM
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Re: I think that's a safe bet
06/04/2011 05:44:46 AM
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This could be interesting.
06/04/2011 06:03:05 AM
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The Greek Gods are trying to teach us mercy?
06/04/2011 07:57:04 AM
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Are you questioning the gods?
06/04/2011 02:39:40 PM
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You worship Gher? *NM*
06/04/2011 06:44:22 PM
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Hrm, not that I know of...
06/04/2011 08:04:24 PM
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How is that relevant?
06/04/2011 09:27:33 PM
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For future reference
07/04/2011 02:11:22 PM
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What if it's a trick question? *NM*
07/04/2011 02:45:22 PM
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Then it would still lead into that Ghostbusters quote nicely. *NM*
09/04/2011 06:02:05 PM
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It's just not something that comes up very often.
07/04/2011 05:17:03 PM
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So at this point...
07/04/2011 06:15:22 PM
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Relax, friend. It was simple banter such as is common among gatherings of warriors. *NM*
08/04/2011 03:22:18 PM
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I know
08/04/2011 09:24:22 PM
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No, I knew you were joking...
08/04/2011 10:27:09 PM
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I do have a question to get us started:
06/04/2011 02:45:38 PM
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Yes, I have. *NM*
06/04/2011 06:45:35 PM
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As bonus information, however...
07/04/2011 03:54:57 AM
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How about this: Are you male, female, or "other?"
07/04/2011 02:35:35 AM
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I'm male. Do we want to ask human or non-human? (Demigods would count as human.) *NM*
07/04/2011 02:57:05 AM
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Probably not, just male if male or other, or female, race or divine status or such seems a bad idea *NM*
07/04/2011 04:24:45 AM
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Gender Table
08/04/2011 10:19:10 AM
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I see one interesting factoid in this.
09/04/2011 06:08:10 PM
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That is a bit weird. Or maybe Kronin is trying to tell me something?
09/04/2011 06:57:18 PM
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Interesting coincidence.
11/04/2011 05:55:18 AM
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gender's not usualy a big deal tho
11/04/2011 01:16:57 PM
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Well, there was that game where we knew there was a female RB'er
11/04/2011 01:34:08 PM
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Yeah, but a female Achilles is just a tad less believable.
11/04/2011 02:58:57 PM
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fair enough
11/04/2011 04:03:15 PM
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It usually doesn't.
11/04/2011 08:50:25 PM
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I have to disagree, I think this is likely a big deal
11/04/2011 10:49:02 PM
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You missed one- someone ELSE may be lying
12/04/2011 02:11:18 AM
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True enough but I don't think I'd consider that too probable either
12/04/2011 04:43:16 AM
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Well, I'm thinking none of us are divine. But let's think about this...
09/04/2011 07:15:30 PM
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Thoughts
10/04/2011 07:12:50 PM
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Yeah, basically I was asking if anyone was a town-aligned Medusa or whatever
11/04/2011 02:52:25 AM
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Re: Mafia 22: It's Actually Starting!
10/04/2011 02:05:45 AM
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Define factual and fictional
11/04/2011 12:59:01 AM
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Yeah, I feel like there's very thin line between factual and fictional.
11/04/2011 04:44:01 AM
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I think we need to ask the role/character match question, but phrasing worries me
11/04/2011 11:11:19 PM
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I see a major problem with that.
12/04/2011 12:33:03 AM
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I believe it could be worked around with the right phrasing, and I can think of another question too
12/04/2011 01:33:05 AM
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I like the era question better than the role appropriateness question
12/04/2011 02:29:40 AM
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I'm not surprised, and it's not that I don't agree about the problems, but...
12/04/2011 02:09:53 PM
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I really hope Kronin included a Cassandra role.
12/04/2011 04:34:01 AM
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Pretty much screams miller or flawed cop
12/04/2011 01:56:04 PM
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I was thinking something to deliberately drive them insane.
12/04/2011 09:26:24 PM
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Haha I thought about trying something like that if I modded.
13/04/2011 12:04:59 AM
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So do we want to go ahead with the era question?
13/04/2011 10:41:27 PM
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So if I appeared in many periods, I should give the most well known?
14/04/2011 03:27:32 AM
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So, our info thus far
15/04/2011 02:06:43 PM
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Clarification
15/04/2011 09:36:16 PM
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My mistake, missed that
15/04/2011 10:05:49 PM
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I like this idea. Chaos is good. Right?
15/04/2011 10:16:36 PM
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I suppose that could work. At least it means we're doing something. *NM*
15/04/2011 10:43:02 PM
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Cool, looks like we have a plan now we just need some questions for it
16/04/2011 03:08:57 AM
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Gonna need some questions
16/04/2011 08:26:02 PM
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a question
17/04/2011 03:18:43 PM
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What does that even mean? *NM*
17/04/2011 04:11:22 PM
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It's a famous personality test.
17/04/2011 04:30:22 PM
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more questions
17/04/2011 06:28:47 PM
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Sorry I haven't been around. I've just been swamped.
17/04/2011 06:04:26 PM
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Q&A List (Table)
17/04/2011 10:01:11 PM
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I'm thumbs up if
18/04/2011 12:24:51 AM
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Questions (Table)
18/04/2011 12:52:37 AM
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Questions and Answers (Table) - Complete
18/04/2011 01:01:44 AM
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Aw man. 5 is kinda hard...If I do the exchange for two...do I get to choose the two? *NM*
18/04/2011 02:30:33 AM
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Yes. That was the agreed upon decision. *NM*
18/04/2011 03:12:49 AM
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Oh well sorry. I thought the two others were randomly assigned. *NM*
18/04/2011 12:10:48 PM
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my biggest flaw hmm,
18/04/2011 02:54:19 PM
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Ghandi? *NM*
18/04/2011 09:18:14 PM
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I feel like that can apply to most revolutionary thinkers/leaders
18/04/2011 09:59:15 PM
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Yes *NM*
18/04/2011 04:39:49 PM
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Still need Beetnemesis, Gher, and Stephen
18/04/2011 05:35:16 PM
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I need a clarification here.
18/04/2011 09:20:36 PM
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Re: I need a clarification here.
18/04/2011 10:23:16 PM
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1 and 4.
18/04/2011 12:13:00 PM
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Sorry peoples that was me. *NM*
18/04/2011 12:13:21 PM
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That was sorta obvious given that he's not playing in this game *NM*
18/04/2011 01:20:12 PM
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Haha yeah but I thought I needed to clarify.
18/04/2011 09:16:58 PM
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what's happened to Nap btw? really busy or summat? *NM*
18/04/2011 09:24:19 PM
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Yeah 11th grade has taken over his life.
18/04/2011 09:48:37 PM
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HA! 11th grade....
18/04/2011 10:14:24 PM
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Aren't you a college freshmen?
18/04/2011 10:25:52 PM
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I feel so old now *NM*
18/04/2011 10:27:11 PM
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It's what you get for bragging about it.
18/04/2011 11:19:40 PM
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its in your profile... *NM*
18/04/2011 11:34:14 PM
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So you're claiming equality with the gods then?
19/04/2011 12:30:18 AM
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Yea, that's why it's odd.
18/04/2011 11:54:44 PM
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Hmm... two years ago would have been game 5
19/04/2011 01:24:45 AM
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Holy God, was that really two whole years ago?
19/04/2011 01:31:42 AM
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Yup
19/04/2011 02:35:10 AM
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Stop making me feel like a noob! *NM*
19/04/2011 04:39:44 AM
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Kronin doesn't count, he's the mod. We're supposed to confuse him. *NM*
18/04/2011 09:28:52 PM
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ANNOUNCEMENT
18/04/2011 09:33:46 PM
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Way to screw it up for the rest of us, Berg!
18/04/2011 09:56:43 PM
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he must be against the gods! lets lynch him *NM*
18/04/2011 10:57:31 PM
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Yes, the gods would know if we didn't! I know they're watching us! *NM*
18/04/2011 11:00:33 PM
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yeah, they can see what you are doing right now, put that down. *NM*
18/04/2011 11:03:38 PM
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So moving along...
20/04/2011 03:16:45 AM
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Heyo, sorry I've been quiet. Some thoughts!
20/04/2011 07:38:58 AM
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Hey, not everybody can be the good wife who stays at home and knits.
20/04/2011 07:51:35 AM
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We might as well start coming up with Criteria for the Attrition List (Table)
20/04/2011 06:17:51 PM
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Re: We might as well start coming up with Criteria for the Attrition List (Table)
20/04/2011 06:46:02 PM
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Post counts
20/04/2011 09:37:04 PM
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No! I've dropped to fourth and sixth!
20/04/2011 09:45:09 PM
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I felt like I was posting way less than normal. Good thing I wasn't
20/04/2011 10:21:29 PM
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by the way, Kronin, I unvoted in the same post that I voted for FT *NM*
20/04/2011 09:41:46 PM
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Kay.
20/04/2011 11:20:30 PM
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I guess we have our five criteria then, let us proceed
22/04/2011 09:53:49 PM
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Anti-Town Citations (Table)
22/04/2011 09:54:43 PM
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Hmm. Thought I'd posted this already.
26/04/2011 07:02:48 AM
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Re: Hmm. Thought I'd posted this already.
26/04/2011 09:21:29 PM
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Sure, but if he thought that was anti-town, why not mention it earlier? *NM*
27/04/2011 12:50:00 AM
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Crtieria #3 - Questions Asked (Table)
22/04/2011 11:32:20 PM
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I suggested one.
23/04/2011 02:20:15 AM
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Criteria #5 - Slow to answer (Table)
22/04/2011 10:56:09 PM
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One interesting question that we haven't asked.
23/04/2011 04:26:30 PM
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Hm. Benefits to lynching Bergioyn, or Fox and Ravens
25/04/2011 12:21:59 AM
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Re: Hm. Benefits to lynching Bergioyn, or Fox and Ravens
25/04/2011 01:16:07 AM
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Re: Hm. Benefits to lynching Bergioyn, or Fox and Ravens
25/04/2011 04:03:38 AM
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But how else shall the the auguries be told?*
25/04/2011 01:04:18 PM
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Berg interacted with Ajax, so I assumed Trojan War
25/04/2011 11:02:59 PM
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And I interacted with Nestor and you with Odyseuss, not necessarily a lock on Troy
26/04/2011 01:06:24 AM
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I think this comes down to Bergioyn and Scott
26/04/2011 09:59:29 PM
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Re: I think this comes down to Bergioyn and Scott
27/04/2011 12:43:07 AM
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Vote: Bergioyn
27/04/2011 10:19:29 PM
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Vote: Bergioyn
27/04/2011 10:39:39 PM
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Eh okay. We can carry the list to tomorrow for Scott. Vote: Bergoiyn *NM*
27/04/2011 10:56:33 PM
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I was actually wondering what Kronin's non-attendance policy was.
28/04/2011 01:13:08 AM
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Do modkills go to night?
28/04/2011 01:16:37 AM
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Okay two modkills.
28/04/2011 01:19:29 AM
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You can't directly quote private messages from the mod. *NM*
28/04/2011 01:36:25 AM
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I haven't had the time to keep up with attendance.
28/04/2011 04:02:20 PM
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Why start tomorrow? We have inactives right now. *NM*
28/04/2011 06:01:11 PM
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I don't want to institute a policy with no previous warning. *NM*
28/04/2011 06:31:23 PM
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I woudl start issuing messages now. They already should know the policies, after all. *NM*
28/04/2011 07:39:15 PM
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Of course, you're also the mod. So I really have no place in questioning this now. *NM*
28/04/2011 07:41:39 PM
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Well, inaction has been a modkillable offense for nearly a year.
29/04/2011 01:50:39 AM
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Longer than that
29/04/2011 03:10:04 AM
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Re: Longer than that
29/04/2011 03:15:02 AM
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Re: I was actually wondering what Kronin's non-attendance policy was.
28/04/2011 07:51:56 PM
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I think I agree with this.
28/04/2011 08:01:15 PM
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Re: I was actually wondering what Kronin's non-attendance policy was.
29/04/2011 01:54:48 AM
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Re: I was actually wondering what Kronin's non-attendance policy was.
29/04/2011 09:19:39 PM
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I suppose I can support this. He's not the only low-poster, but we can only do one lynch
28/04/2011 02:43:23 AM
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This does make sense.
28/04/2011 02:14:31 PM
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I was just thinking that! And it was for similar reasons, too...
28/04/2011 07:43:39 PM
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Looks like Berg is one vote away from the lynch.
29/04/2011 09:15:03 PM
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Re: Looks like Berg is one vote away from the lynch.
29/04/2011 09:23:25 PM
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I'm really sorry guys, I have been so busy I haven't been able to be online.
01/05/2011 09:19:14 PM
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What's the story, morning glory? *NM*
04/05/2011 04:57:38 PM
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Don't you guys get that I'm slow?
04/05/2011 05:44:20 PM
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