Granted, I was dead when his role was revealed, so one out of 17 prior games?
Yeah, but I'm surprised that it hasn't been used more thus far. Considering that beet was the one to get it, it wouldn't surprise me that he reuse it.
Right, and I do know, and I said I did, and I'm repeating that Deadpool as a Watcher makes about as much sense as Lan as a Doc, it's possible, but only by the same sort of stretch that could fit anyone to nearly anything that isn't totally against their character. I had to water down the inquisition on character matching role to make it safe for consumption but we've got 7 of 13 responders in so far, and all said 'yes', that they match.
All right, I thought you meant it as in "serial killer makes more sense as his role" and not as in "Watcher makes no sense as his role".
Your track record for going easy on people under the finger of suspicion on Day 1 is as bad as me or DK's. I'm not claiming a knack for mind-reading, but I can gauge trends as well as anyone else. How often have you not voted for the person who was lynched on Day 1? When was the last time you strongly leaped to someone's defense on Day 1? Personally, I have trouble remembering when you've ever defended scummer allies, you tend to bus people, then there's the SK problem, they don't have allies, and it would be seem a bit strange for a Skrull to impersonate someone nobody likes or trusts, except under the 'person you'd most and thus least suspect' concept.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense if you were masoned together and didn't know he was a SK. But I didn't delve into the point because it merely revolves around your most major character pick being one of the most strongly involved major characters with his claim, and 'involved' is not 'allies', depending on the writers the two tend get along about as well a ice cream and a blow torch. I don't know what the score is with WF, let alone you, so I'm pointing out available data points as possible explanations for why you might be mounting what to me seems a very enthusiastic effort. Heck, for all I know your just digging your heels in because I'm the one who leveled the accusation. This all comes bakc to strange behavior, I didn't accuse you, an its not like I mince words on things like that, because I simply don't get why you jumped so strongly to his defense, it is, as you say yourself, very unlike you. You've admitted it would be abnormal for you to react to defend an ally, but your ticked because I'm calling this bizarre behavior from you?
Because 'suspicious' in this case just means behavior with no obvious visible motivator. I've been known to, as a scummer, leap to townie's defenses for various reasons, partially just to give myself an excuse to do it in future games for allies without drawing suspicion. You really don't. If your a skrull, you might be wanting to defend him because he is too, that's possible, or because you want it remembered a townie died over your objection because if he turns out SK its no skin off your teeth, you can't be allied to a SK so it wouldn't draw suspicion. That makes sense, I'd do that. "Hey, I didn't think he was a SK, if I were scum, I'd want him dead whether I thought he was town or SK, so why defend him?" and if he turned out town "I'm known for voting for people on Day 1, so if I were scum, I wouldn't have had any motivation to not to vote for him or to defend him"... but that's just some options. You could have some piece of info your not telling us, like if you were wolverine, know for outing shapechangers by sense of smell, you might have started knowing "That's Wade Wilson all right, nobody smell's like that bastard" but not want to give away that ability or clue. I don't know what you're up to or why, but I think you're up to something, it could be pro-town for all I know.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense if you were masoned together and didn't know he was a SK. But I didn't delve into the point because it merely revolves around your most major character pick being one of the most strongly involved major characters with his claim, and 'involved' is not 'allies', depending on the writers the two tend get along about as well a ice cream and a blow torch. I don't know what the score is with WF, let alone you, so I'm pointing out available data points as possible explanations for why you might be mounting what to me seems a very enthusiastic effort. Heck, for all I know your just digging your heels in because I'm the one who leveled the accusation. This all comes bakc to strange behavior, I didn't accuse you, an its not like I mince words on things like that, because I simply don't get why you jumped so strongly to his defense, it is, as you say yourself, very unlike you. You've admitted it would be abnormal for you to react to defend an ally, but your ticked because I'm calling this bizarre behavior from you?
Because 'suspicious' in this case just means behavior with no obvious visible motivator. I've been known to, as a scummer, leap to townie's defenses for various reasons, partially just to give myself an excuse to do it in future games for allies without drawing suspicion. You really don't. If your a skrull, you might be wanting to defend him because he is too, that's possible, or because you want it remembered a townie died over your objection because if he turns out SK its no skin off your teeth, you can't be allied to a SK so it wouldn't draw suspicion. That makes sense, I'd do that. "Hey, I didn't think he was a SK, if I were scum, I'd want him dead whether I thought he was town or SK, so why defend him?" and if he turned out town "I'm known for voting for people on Day 1, so if I were scum, I wouldn't have had any motivation to not to vote for him or to defend him"... but that's just some options. You could have some piece of info your not telling us, like if you were wolverine, know for outing shapechangers by sense of smell, you might have started knowing "That's Wade Wilson all right, nobody smell's like that bastard" but not want to give away that ability or clue. I don't know what you're up to or why, but I think you're up to something, it could be pro-town for all I know.
All right, that's fair. It is true that I myself thought of it as bizarre, considering that I have repeatedly stated that I am willing to lynch even someone I suspect to be a townie (heck, I even suicided in that one game where I was mason) in order to get a Day 1 lynch. And it's not that I wouldn't vote for White Flame if it came down to it, but under the current circumstances I view (or viewed, anyway, since everyone else seems to agree with your interpretation of Deadpool, it might turn out to be like Joe Kerr/Jack Napier from a few games ago) White Flame as not being presently suspicious.
And again, the reason for that is that he is being targeted as serial killer rather than as mafia. It's more a case of my scepticism leading me away from a path of inquiry that not only might be a dead end, but might not exist at all. Although that did lead to probably mu dumbest moment in these games when I failed to capitalise on mecha-Javert, so we'll see.
Yeah, I actually mentioned when I made the accusation that its obviously something a scummer would do too, so at the very least, you'd be accusing me as a probable scummer who knows very well that crusades against third parties draw eyes. In fairness, one game as a townie we did have a third party I didn't raise the option, but that was the Tower game and I doubted we'd have a third party with only 10 players and the SK got taken out on night 1. I also raised the option of a third party repeatedly last game, and I was town. I'm scum a lot, and I'm suspicious of third parties a lot, these things occasionally coincide, but keep in mind that other than as idle speculation I don't talk much about third parties on Day 1 and, we've only had about four games post game 6 they weren't in, I modded two of those and I got capped on night 1 of another of those, and your game 9 I was spending all my efforts trying to scheme in a two-week short game and convince people there were DFs. So its not really a fair accusation to level my way. I have raised it as a townie, but there's not a lot of cases for me to cite because there haven't been a lot of good reasons too, and again, I couldn't have 'done it on accident' since my original accusation on WF includes me discussing how a scummer would have a motivation to do it. That's me, like now, acknowledging that a dead SK will do nothing to improve my own trust levels and pointing out that whether I'm town or scummer I'm trustworthy on this matter and if anything, more trustworthy on the matter if a scummer, so people shouldn't waste the effort with a 'Never trust Isaac' line of reasoning on this one, because either way I'm on the level.
If I thought I had a good lead to share on the Skrulls, I would - I saw this, I consider eliminating a SK a good day 1 prize (trying to get a scummer on a team on day 1 is usually a losing proposition anyway) and I raised it. It's not like targeting for a SK or cultist is anti-town, they do as much damage as the classic scummer group does but early game can be taken out with one shot. The only reason we don't go after them with vigor is because they're smaller and hard to detect. Well, I saw a lead, the game is big enough for a SK, we've had plenty of them, and I've raised the SK and cult option many a time, I'm sure some of them I was a townie.
I was right about him being Deadpool, and as you've found out, this is not a bizarre claim for me to aim at him. Look at this from my perspective, town or DF I'd want a possible SK dead, and you basically come out and tell me "Yeah, he said he's Asunawa but he's a Watcher". I get it, you really don't know Marvel, so it doesn't seem as strange to you, but from my perspective, you're saying you don't think Asunawa is suspicious while having a Whitecloak prominently on your list. We may be ramping up to DefCon 1 on each other again without good reason. I admit I could be seeing shadows on you because I'm seeing your behavior as very suspicious in the context of my knowledge of MArvel and it doesn't fit very well since you don't know those comics, but surely you can see on explanation why both his character and his RC drew my eye and why your defense of him took my notice. We may not have a SK, just on historical odds the odds of us having one are a bit better than 50/50, they've been in way more non-early-days games then they've been absent. Since game 6 they've been in most games, and most of those that didn't have them had either the option for one to appear (both of the ones I modded) or a cult or third faction or some variation there of. So the odds favor it, and he's a very viable candidate for it, and he's produced what seems to me a very unlikely but 'safe' RC. I don't know if I'm right, but I think my logic train on this one is legit.
If I thought I had a good lead to share on the Skrulls, I would - I saw this, I consider eliminating a SK a good day 1 prize (trying to get a scummer on a team on day 1 is usually a losing proposition anyway) and I raised it. It's not like targeting for a SK or cultist is anti-town, they do as much damage as the classic scummer group does but early game can be taken out with one shot. The only reason we don't go after them with vigor is because they're smaller and hard to detect. Well, I saw a lead, the game is big enough for a SK, we've had plenty of them, and I've raised the SK and cult option many a time, I'm sure some of them I was a townie.
I was right about him being Deadpool, and as you've found out, this is not a bizarre claim for me to aim at him. Look at this from my perspective, town or DF I'd want a possible SK dead, and you basically come out and tell me "Yeah, he said he's Asunawa but he's a Watcher". I get it, you really don't know Marvel, so it doesn't seem as strange to you, but from my perspective, you're saying you don't think Asunawa is suspicious while having a Whitecloak prominently on your list. We may be ramping up to DefCon 1 on each other again without good reason. I admit I could be seeing shadows on you because I'm seeing your behavior as very suspicious in the context of my knowledge of MArvel and it doesn't fit very well since you don't know those comics, but surely you can see on explanation why both his character and his RC drew my eye and why your defense of him took my notice. We may not have a SK, just on historical odds the odds of us having one are a bit better than 50/50, they've been in way more non-early-days games then they've been absent. Since game 6 they've been in most games, and most of those that didn't have them had either the option for one to appear (both of the ones I modded) or a cult or third faction or some variation there of. So the odds favor it, and he's a very viable candidate for it, and he's produced what seems to me a very unlikely but 'safe' RC. I don't know if I'm right, but I think my logic train on this one is legit.
Obviously I am not accusing you of anything for this right now. Normally I would, but in this case I can clearly see the reasoning behind it - the method of investigation you've prioritised does not really allow us to find mafia, but it might catch a serial killer. So you can rest easy on that point anyway, for once I am not suspicious of someone for basing their actions on the hunt for third parties rather than the mafia. Although if I do ever have a particular reason to suspect you, I might bring it up again . Reasonable or not, it would be a beneficial tactic for mafia to employ.
Anyway, I'm going to concede this one since people seem to agree that White Flame's character claim really is that bad, so go ahead.
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RAFO Mafia 19: Superlative Crisis! ISSUE ONE: ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE SKRULL TOLLS!
18/10/2010 04:53:46 AM
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There is only one things I can think to say in a moment like this:
18/10/2010 05:11:19 AM
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Wow. . .
18/10/2010 05:24:34 AM
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One initial route suggests itself
18/10/2010 05:40:43 AM
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It's one of your usual suggestions and I guess we can go with it again.
18/10/2010 06:03:51 AM
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I think 5 is too many. How about 4? *NM*
18/10/2010 06:42:44 PM
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4's a good compromise
18/10/2010 07:47:55 PM
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is this for today
18/10/2010 09:50:39 PM
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We may as well do it today
18/10/2010 10:17:22 PM
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If we're going to do it, it needs to be today
18/10/2010 10:35:12 PM
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Any order is going to have to be randomly established, imo.
18/10/2010 10:45:40 PM
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I don't know that its a major concern, people can just submit them
19/10/2010 12:49:14 AM
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Present.
18/10/2010 07:40:21 AM
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Amazing! Incredible! Uncanny!
18/10/2010 08:20:09 AM
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I meant for that to be a reply to the original message, but oh well *NM*
18/10/2010 08:21:06 AM
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Character Claims (Table) - Complete
19/10/2010 01:04:38 AM
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Sorry! I'm here. *NM*
20/10/2010 09:28:57 PM
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Why did it say Napoleon62? I'm ? *NM*
20/10/2010 09:29:44 PM
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Secret identity revealed! DUN DUN DUN! *NM*
20/10/2010 09:31:48 PM
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Busteeddddddddddddddddddd *NM*
20/10/2010 09:35:02 PM
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This is an interesting development... *NM*
20/10/2010 10:10:19 PM
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What? *NM*
20/10/2010 10:24:23 PM
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How is it now? *NM*
20/10/2010 10:25:26 PM
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And probably slightly unethical. *NM*
20/10/2010 11:06:40 PM
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Slightly?
21/10/2010 12:57:34 AM
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are we actualy going to do anything today?
21/10/2010 01:31:15 AM
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Re: Ok let me sit this one out...I don't know what's going on at all but...yeah *NM*
21/10/2010 01:54:54 AM
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And that's me ? getting modkilled if possible....Sorry everyone *NM*
21/10/2010 01:55:26 AM
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I'd rather have you stay in...
21/10/2010 02:07:00 AM
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I've done that quite a few times...
21/10/2010 02:11:48 AM
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On the whole Napoleon/? issue
21/10/2010 03:42:04 AM
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Yeah, no need for ? to quit. *NM*
21/10/2010 07:25:43 AM
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Yay!! *NM*
21/10/2010 11:40:56 AM
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Testing one two three *NM*
21/10/2010 11:41:51 AM
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Ok...back to normal...that never happened...Where are we in the game? *NM*
21/10/2010 11:42:21 AM
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What? Again? *NM*
21/10/2010 11:42:47 AM
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Ok, here's what we can do.
21/10/2010 01:33:53 PM
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Sounds like a plan.
21/10/2010 02:34:46 PM
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Umm..
21/10/2010 09:41:13 PM
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So that's everyone, I think.
22/10/2010 04:13:06 AM
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Re: So that's everyone, I think.
22/10/2010 08:00:43 AM
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This is awesome
21/10/2010 09:06:24 PM
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I'm surprised it never happened to us. We just rock. *NM*
21/10/2010 11:52:00 PM
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Woah, you guys are related??
22/10/2010 04:16:59 AM
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Yes we are. He's my older brother. *NM*
22/10/2010 04:47:31 AM
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Adds an extra layer of humor to your fratricidal actions back in game 9
22/10/2010 08:02:42 AM
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I still bug him about that one. We finally end up a in a mason group together,
22/10/2010 02:29:58 PM
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Sorry, I thought everyone knew that.
22/10/2010 07:50:10 PM
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Its not really a big surprise but I don't think you've ever really mentioned it
24/10/2010 04:59:02 AM
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Really? I thought we had. Yeah, it didn't come up to often, but I thought we had mentioned it. *NM*
24/10/2010 05:32:07 AM
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If you use different computers, or even different accounts on the same computer, it wouldn't
22/10/2010 10:34:50 AM
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So... What are we going to do? There doesn't seem to be much to discuss. *NM*
23/10/2010 11:27:10 AM
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I think everyone is waiting for the ? and Napoleon62 situation to resolve *NM*
23/10/2010 07:30:39 PM
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No, there's nothing to resolve there
23/10/2010 08:43:17 PM
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Ok. What are peoples opinions on how long should we give him? *NM*
23/10/2010 10:18:46 PM
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I think we should give him a reasonable amount of time.
23/10/2010 11:00:57 PM
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depends what you define as reasonable
24/10/2010 12:54:34 AM
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I did put my hero people
24/10/2010 01:06:29 AM
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Not sure how to proceed at the moment
24/10/2010 05:09:20 AM
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how about we all give our thoughts on who the SK might be? *NM*
24/10/2010 06:57:57 AM
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Re: Not sure how to proceed at the moment
24/10/2010 03:16:29 PM
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I'm not going to be voting for White Flame anyway.
24/10/2010 07:15:31 PM
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Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 05:28:48 AM
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Re: Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 06:45:19 AM
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Edit by way of post:
25/10/2010 06:53:47 AM
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Re: Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 08:44:49 AM
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Re: Something about this bugs me
25/10/2010 06:50:16 PM
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"Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 05:26:21 AM
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Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 03:54:19 PM
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Re: "Does Role Match Character?" Survey (Table)
25/10/2010 05:34:28 PM
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Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac
25/10/2010 06:24:04 PM
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Re: Well, the accusation is tied to the character of Deadpool being a homicidal maniac
25/10/2010 06:38:16 PM
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This is what I meant by stretching for a match
26/10/2010 12:40:50 AM
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I'd also like to point out.
26/10/2010 01:11:05 AM
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That's true
26/10/2010 02:02:10 AM
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That does make sense
26/10/2010 02:12:33 AM
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It does make sense.
26/10/2010 02:19:55 AM
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Watcher isn't an especially powerful role, I doubt the mafia would single him out.
26/10/2010 02:56:03 AM
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Even in if they do single him out,
26/10/2010 08:52:18 PM
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Yes as far as I can see. I'm not too experienced with Marvel *NM*
26/10/2010 09:49:22 PM
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So what's the temperature right now on this?
27/10/2010 04:10:18 AM
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Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
28/10/2010 02:24:09 AM
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Re: Okay, Vote: White Flame of Tar Valon
28/10/2010 02:28:25 AM
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Okay, mega-absurd posting slump
29/10/2010 03:01:38 PM
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But really. . .
29/10/2010 06:19:17 PM
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This puts him at L-1.
29/10/2010 06:45:05 PM
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Re: This puts him at L-1.
29/10/2010 07:28:18 PM
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Oh come on!
29/10/2010 07:41:54 PM
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It would be great if, in his pettiness, WF forgot he was a bomb.
29/10/2010 08:00:26 PM
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Apparently everybody likes option E after all *NM*
29/10/2010 07:17:21 PM
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White Flame has been lynched
30/10/2010 07:10:15 AM
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When do you think Day 2 will start? *NM*
31/10/2010 05:44:28 PM
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Sorry for the delay, Day 2 should begin within the next 24 hours
03/11/2010 01:00:13 AM
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