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Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas Fox and Ravens Send a noteboard - 15/09/2010 06:23:19 PM
Some oddities from yesterday


*White Flame posted THREE TIMES. What the hell? He was only RBIRL for like three days.


*Napoleon was in favor of just ignoring the Treasure Hunt, as we had no idea whether it would be helpful or hurtful.

And if we pick three out of a hat there is a good chance that ninja will be amongst them. After all... that's kinda what ninjas do. I'm going to hold my vote for now, maybe forever. This may be one of those things that for the good of the town we just let slip for the day.


He then made the point that since we were all voting for ourselves, it would just take a single ninja to vote for someone else to tip the scales.



*Kronin... well, maybe he was just a bit tired for Day 1? Didn't post much, and when he did it was with his "Let's send people we can read easily if they're ninjas" plan (or a dozen posts trying to explain that)

Treasure-Voted for DK, which doesn't necessarily clear him as no one knew quite what Treasure Voting would do. However, I'm more likely to view him as townie than ninja. (But post more!)


*Isaac. It's a minor thing, but his claim that he had no ninjas in his RM started off the whole BlackAdder thing. Granted, BA didn't do a very good job of making himself look innocent (I didn't have many doubts until the end, and by that point I figured it was better to lynch him just in case).

So, no FoS yet, as his actions are entirely consistent with what I've come to expect from Isaac, but it's worth reminding everyone.



*Fox and Ravens...

It's odd, trying to parse the previous day for clues. Looking at the thread as a whole, F&R seems fine. But when you actually focus on him, stuff like

It sounds like you're telling the truth, personally. But Isaac reasoning makes sense too. And i'm still suspicious from before, with the role fishing thing. That whole thing just doesn't make sense. You're roled! Why in the world would you lead the whole town on a wild goose chase? As far as I can see, whatever argument you're making for that point is just moot.

Vote: Black Adder

It's not so much for your RC (although I'm inclined to believe Isaac here) but for what you did earlier. It's just not right and that is blatantly anti-town.


Just kinda rings false to me. Especially from someone who was so understanding of Kronin's slip before.


*Kronin, Kylia, White Flame and Napoleon pretty much stayed out of the BlackAdder debate altogether, and were the ones who didn't vote for him. I'd bet that one or two of them is a ninja (probably one of the ones who were quieter), while one or two ninjas were in the BlackAdder debate, put up a token resistance to make themselves look innocent, and then agreed to vote for BA.


(Or, Isaac is a ninja, Ninja #2 sat out, and Ninja #3 pretended to debate about BA before voting with Isaac)






Anyway, I came away from Day One with a pretty strong anti-Fox and Ravens vibe.

FOS: Fox and Ravens


Finally- do we continue Treasure Voting today?


Those are my thoughts, what about the rest of ya?


Well I dunno what to really say other than for the Kronin situation, he didn't really screw up but just worded his response poorly. I knew what he meant because not only was I thinking the same thing but I was in a very similar situation.

And , assuming BA was telling the truth about his role, his excuse for the all vanilla suggestion was very poor. And I feel it was Day 1 lynchable poor, still. Pretty bad, suggesting something to the town you already know is untrue. That's only a step away from lying to the town. Well, whatever. I've been sticking by this since it first came out and I'll continue to do so.
Go Hokies!

CS/CpE. Yay engineering!
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RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas Fanatic-Templar - 15/09/2010 05:39:03 AM 1696 Views
ARRRRRRR *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/09/2010 06:44:52 AM 531 Views
Omg. This reply cracked me up so bad. Fox and Ravens - 15/09/2010 12:34:38 PM 860 Views
Arrrgggh Darth_Katie - 15/09/2010 12:50:18 PM 814 Views
Re: Arrrgggh Isaac - 15/09/2010 01:29:15 PM 892 Views
plus... Kylia Skydancer - 15/09/2010 01:50:44 PM 787 Views
The grave is no bar to my call!! Darth_Katie - 15/09/2010 06:15:53 PM 824 Views
*giggle* *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 17/09/2010 03:42:33 PM 514 Views
Voting Record Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2010 05:41:39 AM 799 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 26/09/2010 09:27:41 PM 512 Views
oops, meant to post that to the main topic. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 26/09/2010 09:31:09 PM 563 Views
they what the what??? Kylia Skydancer - 15/09/2010 08:07:08 AM 774 Views
Moving along Isaac - 15/09/2010 02:47:27 PM 1036 Views
knife hand? *confused* *NM* Yunalesca - 15/09/2010 10:25:01 PM 465 Views
You like being the one to kill people. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 15/09/2010 10:48:56 PM 550 Views
oh *NM* Yunalesca - 15/09/2010 10:59:03 PM 518 Views
Yes Isaac - 16/09/2010 12:47:50 AM 782 Views
Re: Yes Yunalesca - 16/09/2010 01:10:51 AM 872 Views
Re: Yes Isaac - 16/09/2010 01:49:18 AM 913 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas beetnemesis - 15/09/2010 04:06:10 PM 840 Views
Re: RAFO Mafia 18 - Day 2: Mystery on the High Seas Fox and Ravens - 15/09/2010 06:23:19 PM 942 Views
Sorry bout Yesterday. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/09/2010 07:56:22 PM 729 Views
Eh, hindsight is 20/20, but I think we overreacted *NM* beetnemesis - 15/09/2010 09:03:27 PM 539 Views
Haha. Apparantly so...still. I didn't like what he said. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 15/09/2010 10:19:35 PM 531 Views
You're just annoyed that I voted for you! Kylia Skydancer - 17/09/2010 04:06:11 PM 804 Views
my current suspects ranagrande - 15/09/2010 09:52:52 PM 934 Views
How is that a tactic? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 15/09/2010 10:21:04 PM 487 Views
It's a great tactic ranagrande - 16/09/2010 04:41:38 AM 820 Views
Fair enough. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 16/09/2010 10:28:58 PM 504 Views
Definitely. White Flame has been almost nonexistent. beetnemesis - 15/09/2010 11:23:21 PM 839 Views
yeah, its pretty odd. Yunalesca - 16/09/2010 12:42:01 AM 789 Views
Re: my current suspects Isaac - 16/09/2010 03:31:41 AM 914 Views
Expanding the list ranagrande - 16/09/2010 05:37:24 AM 856 Views
Sorry All White Flame of Tar Valon - 16/09/2010 10:27:08 PM 794 Views
19? damn beetnemesis - 17/09/2010 03:00:14 AM 967 Views
Re: 19? damn White Flame of Tar Valon - 17/09/2010 03:40:03 AM 830 Views
Really sorry about the lack of contributions Napoleon62 - 18/09/2010 01:02:13 AM 885 Views
RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 17/09/2010 11:38:33 PM 859 Views
Day 2 EVENT: In High Spirits Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2010 04:53:47 AM 891 Views
I think 'Aye' is probably the best choice, Vote: Aye Isaac - 18/09/2010 05:24:24 AM 717 Views
I can ranagrande - 18/09/2010 05:35:29 AM 809 Views
There's no REAL downside though... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/09/2010 05:39:29 AM 851 Views
Re: There's no REAL downside though... Kylia Skydancer - 19/09/2010 01:22:48 PM 758 Views
Nay ranagrande - 18/09/2010 05:25:57 AM 844 Views
Can we get an actual reason please? *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/09/2010 05:32:35 AM 532 Views
I just posted it in response to Isaac *NM* ranagrande - 18/09/2010 05:36:03 AM 482 Views
Aye *NM* beetnemesis - 18/09/2010 07:51:22 AM 487 Views
Aye *NM* Yunalesca - 18/09/2010 12:09:39 PM 495 Views
I'm going to go with Vote: Aye Napoleon62 - 18/09/2010 02:43:26 PM 802 Views
I'm gonna go with Aye Fox and Ravens - 18/09/2010 04:16:42 PM 828 Views
Vote: Aye! White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/09/2010 06:18:47 PM 840 Views
Any debate? Anyone in favor of Nay? beetnemesis - 18/09/2010 07:53:56 AM 851 Views
The vote has already reached a majority, by the way. Fanatic-Templar - 18/09/2010 08:47:56 PM 756 Views
I'm not for Nay ? - 21/09/2010 01:25:41 AM 780 Views
Oh well too late ? - 21/09/2010 01:27:36 AM 760 Views
Talk Like a Pirate Day be tomorrow. Arrrr. *NM* Darth_Katie - 18/09/2010 08:37:09 PM 483 Views
We need to come up with a plan Isaac - 19/09/2010 05:59:26 AM 837 Views
Well, here's who voted for BA: beetnemesis - 19/09/2010 08:04:26 AM 812 Views
? is the logical target ranagrande - 19/09/2010 08:56:53 AM 785 Views
Re: ? is the logical target White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/09/2010 02:33:53 PM 841 Views
He is, but I think... Isaac - 19/09/2010 03:24:34 PM 815 Views
So what do we do until then? ranagrande - 19/09/2010 11:32:45 PM 819 Views
Re: ? is the logical target ? - 20/09/2010 02:10:49 AM 838 Views
Re: ? is the logical target Fox and Ravens - 20/09/2010 03:14:22 AM 768 Views
Who are your candidates for lynch? beetnemesis - 20/09/2010 03:58:04 AM 814 Views
I don't have any. Especially after my fail of a push for BA Fox and Ravens - 20/09/2010 04:35:23 AM 764 Views
I think I have a plan Isaac - 20/09/2010 06:33:29 AM 946 Views
...erm... Kylia Skydancer - 20/09/2010 07:37:16 AM 943 Views
Crypto tricks Isaac - 20/09/2010 10:13:23 AM 851 Views
Also, there's a good chance we ALREADY lynched the cop beetnemesis - 20/09/2010 03:53:49 PM 727 Views
I did notice that... Kylia Skydancer - 21/09/2010 07:50:20 AM 725 Views
I like this idea ranagrande - 20/09/2010 07:59:31 AM 785 Views
one more thing ranagrande - 20/09/2010 05:29:00 PM 734 Views
OK, cool! beetnemesis - 20/09/2010 04:17:50 PM 794 Views
intresting idea. Yunalesca - 20/09/2010 04:50:06 PM 827 Views
Alright, I can get behind this. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/09/2010 06:14:03 PM 708 Views
*confusion* *NM* ? - 21/09/2010 01:32:41 AM 466 Views
Basically, he's suggesting a mass roleclaim beetnemesis - 21/09/2010 06:05:34 AM 770 Views
Okay so I got my code... Kylia Skydancer - 21/09/2010 08:46:16 AM 820 Views
Ok...here goes nothing... Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 08:55:57 PM 660 Views
Re: ? is the logical target ? - 21/09/2010 12:34:10 AM 798 Views
Low posting is anti-town Isaac - 20/09/2010 03:42:19 AM 882 Views
Re: Low posting is anti-town ? - 21/09/2010 01:29:21 AM 672 Views
hmm.. Kylia Skydancer - 19/09/2010 01:18:41 PM 834 Views
Some thoughts... Kylia Skydancer - 19/09/2010 01:21:56 PM 757 Views
this is the first time its happened while i've been playing atleast Yunalesca - 19/09/2010 04:52:13 PM 785 Views
guess so. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 20/09/2010 05:55:38 AM 513 Views
It's new, but it's hard to see the downside beetnemesis - 19/09/2010 11:48:35 PM 796 Views
Re: It's new, but it's hard to see the downside Kylia Skydancer - 20/09/2010 05:57:12 AM 812 Views
It looks like we're proceeding with the plan so a few reminders Isaac - 20/09/2010 06:35:21 PM 883 Views
Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/09/2010 06:41:22 PM 823 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. Isaac - 20/09/2010 07:13:22 PM 801 Views
Lesse, I think I got a minute here. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/09/2010 07:56:48 PM 804 Views
EBWOP: Lessee, redo, class. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 20/09/2010 07:57:09 PM 498 Views
Re: Hmm. I don't think I did this exactly how you wanted, with the key and whatnot. ranagrande - 21/09/2010 12:04:49 AM 773 Views
So if I'm understanding this properly... ? - 21/09/2010 01:38:34 AM 767 Views
That is correct. *NM* ranagrande - 21/09/2010 01:44:37 AM 487 Views
Re: That is correct. White Flame of Tar Valon - 21/09/2010 02:16:30 AM 850 Views
Same here *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 03:34:00 AM 498 Views
im still not clear on the key thing. Yunalesca - 21/09/2010 04:38:53 PM 794 Views
Okay Isaac - 21/09/2010 05:28:23 PM 806 Views
It's mostly so someone can't be super-sneaky beetnemesis - 21/09/2010 07:02:55 PM 786 Views
Re: Okay Yunalesca - 21/09/2010 07:43:39 PM 769 Views
You wanted to hint at it, not say it..... *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 21/09/2010 07:46:10 PM 497 Views
horsefeathers Yunalesca - 21/09/2010 07:55:44 PM 742 Views
It's alright. So long as no one actually tries to decode it. :/ *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 21/09/2010 08:00:17 PM 511 Views
when does that happen again? tomorrow? *NM* Yunalesca - 21/09/2010 08:03:24 PM 478 Views
As soon as our laggers post *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2010 08:07:23 PM 488 Views
I'm glad I'm dead so I don't have to bother with this. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/09/2010 11:28:46 PM 454 Views
Ghost pirate!! Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 11:48:56 PM 778 Views
I think the only thing a pirate fears ... Darth_Katie - 22/09/2010 12:45:38 AM 700 Views
It's easy if you're not British *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 21/09/2010 11:59:06 PM 500 Views
but it's fuuuuuun!!!! *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 22/09/2010 08:23:03 AM 567 Views
on a completely different topic... Kylia Skydancer - 21/09/2010 08:58:35 AM 862 Views
List of Codes and Roleclaims (Table) Isaac - 21/09/2010 11:25:37 AM 925 Views
So I shouldn't code my Role now? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 01:45:10 PM 441 Views
Of course you should, why wouldn't you? *NM* Isaac - 21/09/2010 01:57:53 PM 542 Views
The very last person need not code, everyone else needs to Isaac - 21/09/2010 02:01:13 PM 732 Views
Oh, I misunderstood. Ok. Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 03:10:33 PM 798 Views
Changed-look down ? - 21/09/2010 10:53:21 PM 794 Views
A couple Questions White Flame of Tar Valon - 21/09/2010 08:53:29 PM 812 Views
Re: A couple Questions Fox and Ravens - 21/09/2010 08:57:59 PM 811 Views
Re: A couple Questions White Flame of Tar Valon - 22/09/2010 02:43:21 AM 757 Views
On this whole decryption thing though... Kylia Skydancer - 21/09/2010 10:28:57 PM 855 Views
Well.... Isaac - 21/09/2010 11:05:57 PM 788 Views
Re: Well.... Kylia Skydancer - 22/09/2010 08:30:27 AM 972 Views
Re: Well.... Isaac - 22/09/2010 02:19:46 PM 823 Views
Any idea when we are gonna start decrypting? ? - 22/09/2010 01:44:39 AM 780 Views
I think it's ASAP beetnemesis - 22/09/2010 04:07:57 AM 832 Views
Hmm ok. ? - 22/09/2010 11:30:55 AM 787 Views
We could do it today no? ? - 22/09/2010 10:57:34 PM 780 Views
Hold on I'm changing my code. ? - 22/09/2010 01:51:01 AM 746 Views
Wait why does it say and between my codes? ? - 22/09/2010 11:00:51 PM 771 Views
Its just a link to both Isaac - 22/09/2010 11:09:17 PM 777 Views
Re: Its just a link to both ? - 22/09/2010 11:24:07 PM 816 Views
For the record, I will decode both, if requested. Kronin al'Sulc - 23/09/2010 04:49:15 AM 811 Views
My previous roleclaim code should be sufficient ranagrande - 22/09/2010 11:30:12 PM 798 Views
what now? Yunalesca - 22/09/2010 09:27:09 PM 706 Views
Napoleon needs to roleclaim now ranagrande - 22/09/2010 09:51:56 PM 845 Views
Are you talking about your "ninja shortlist?" ? - 22/09/2010 11:07:18 PM 793 Views
Arg... REALLY sorry people. Napoleon62 - 23/09/2010 08:16:00 PM 815 Views
You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game ranagrande - 23/09/2010 09:14:46 PM 840 Views
Why is that so suspicious? Kronin al'Sulc - 23/09/2010 10:02:23 PM 796 Views
It's suspicious because it's not true ranagrande - 23/09/2010 10:17:43 PM 866 Views
Cause people tend to accentuate the negative, they seek to form patterns, and they like exaggerating *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/09/2010 05:07:13 AM 563 Views
PS: ^This is my decryption. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/09/2010 05:11:09 AM 479 Views
Re: You definitely do not get that in eveeeery game Fox and Ravens - 23/09/2010 10:27:31 PM 852 Views
Hmmm... Isaac - 23/09/2010 11:11:21 PM 826 Views
Re: Hmmm... Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 03:44:02 AM 805 Views
"I'm roled by not a standard town role" Kronin al'Sulc - 24/09/2010 05:09:27 AM 847 Views
Re: "I'm roled by not a standard town role" Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 05:41:11 AM 818 Views
I believe I already mentioned that *NM* Isaac - 24/09/2010 08:37:01 AM 460 Views
I've been playing this game since the wotmania days Napoleon62 - 24/09/2010 02:36:21 AM 1050 Views
To our non-participating friends: Fanatic-Templar - 23/09/2010 05:28:39 AM 821 Views
Everyone can start decrypting now Isaac - 23/09/2010 09:01:24 PM 811 Views
Re: Everyone can start decrypting now ? - 23/09/2010 10:33:08 PM 793 Views
Ok, I'll go ahead and do mine too ranagrande - 23/09/2010 11:16:29 PM 856 Views
Wow that's good. ? - 24/09/2010 12:14:48 AM 742 Views
I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine Isaac - 24/09/2010 12:45:09 AM 859 Views
Re: I was too lazy to verify beyond oxygen and flourine ranagrande - 24/09/2010 02:44:11 AM 798 Views
eh, what the heck ranagrande - 24/09/2010 03:04:29 AM 701 Views
Re: eh, what the heck Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 03:47:31 AM 622 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/09/2010 05:13:50 AM 505 Views
Just out of curiosity, why do you say townie? RB could just as easily be scum, if not more so. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/09/2010 05:13:51 AM 373 Views
other factors make me think otherwise ranagrande - 24/09/2010 06:07:31 AM 688 Views
A good bit of analysis Isaac - 24/09/2010 09:42:59 AM 1346 Views
Re: A good bit of analysis Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 02:34:02 PM 779 Views
right, mine Yunalesca - 24/09/2010 10:37:45 AM 853 Views
Re: right, mine Isaac - 24/09/2010 10:43:26 AM 802 Views
EPWOP Isaac - 24/09/2010 10:55:42 AM 810 Views
Re: EPWOP Yunalesca - 24/09/2010 12:47:47 PM 837 Views
Okay, that squares Isaac - 24/09/2010 01:14:31 PM 773 Views
Re: Okay, that squares Yunalesca - 24/09/2010 01:22:42 PM 856 Views
Re: Okay, that squares Isaac - 24/09/2010 01:30:47 PM 779 Views
fair enough Yunalesca - 24/09/2010 01:58:27 PM 792 Views
Decryption Kylia Skydancer - 25/09/2010 08:00:57 AM 979 Views
All right Isaac - 25/09/2010 02:02:29 PM 750 Views
Re: All right Kylia Skydancer - 25/09/2010 03:06:00 PM 916 Views
Re: All right Isaac - 25/09/2010 03:35:23 PM 704 Views
I was lazy... I used the INTERNET beetnemesis - 24/09/2010 06:04:26 AM 706 Views
Re: I was lazy... I used the INTERNET Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 02:29:29 PM 781 Views
That is potentially a huge power beetnemesis - 24/09/2010 02:55:05 PM 852 Views
Re: That is potentially a huge power Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 03:33:43 PM 801 Views
Role Claim and Action (Table) - All claims in Isaac - 24/09/2010 01:32:53 PM 826 Views
While we're waiting on White Flame Isaac - 25/09/2010 08:59:09 PM 906 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame White Flame of Tar Valon - 25/09/2010 10:47:47 PM 770 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 25/09/2010 10:48:31 PM 763 Views
It's probably also worth noting Isaac - 25/09/2010 11:17:19 PM 808 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/09/2010 12:39:13 AM 840 Views
Re: It's probably also worth noting Isaac - 26/09/2010 01:10:17 AM 782 Views
Re: While we're waiting on White Flame ranagrande - 26/09/2010 02:47:14 AM 834 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens Isaac - 26/09/2010 03:15:38 AM 874 Views
Eh. The RC's always mess me up Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 03:43:54 AM 742 Views
Yes, they can be tricky Isaac - 26/09/2010 04:00:52 AM 791 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 04:33:40 AM 825 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky Isaac - 26/09/2010 04:50:08 AM 794 Views
Re: Yes, they can be tricky ranagrande - 26/09/2010 05:58:11 AM 766 Views
not to mention... Kylia Skydancer - 26/09/2010 04:55:30 AM 802 Views
Re: not to mention... Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 05:03:35 AM 815 Views
Re: not to mention... White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/09/2010 03:50:09 PM 1024 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* ? - 26/09/2010 02:31:43 PM 522 Views
And what's your reason for this? Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 05:50:11 PM 817 Views
When I saw this... ? - 26/09/2010 10:07:08 PM 744 Views
I'll second this motion. Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/09/2010 07:13:54 PM 524 Views
I mean can we just lynch him without going through the procedure if he'll just give up? Napoleon62 - 26/09/2010 07:33:38 PM 951 Views
Somebody want to hammer? Isaac - 26/09/2010 09:02:17 PM 825 Views
Unless somebody vote blocked me or something Isaac - 26/09/2010 09:06:13 PM 906 Views
nobody admitted to that role, right? Kylia Skydancer - 26/09/2010 09:26:30 PM 830 Views
Oh yeah, missed that. Sorry. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/09/2010 10:19:22 PM 495 Views
<b>Vote: Fox and Ravens</b> Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 09:11:27 PM 772 Views
EBWOP...aww crap. Oh well. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 26/09/2010 09:11:52 PM 480 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 26/09/2010 09:30:28 PM 501 Views
Fox and Ravens has been lynched. Fanatic-Templar - 26/09/2010 10:42:10 PM 825 Views
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