Haven't missed too much, as far as I can see. As will surprise absolutely nobody, I oppose this massclaiming suggestion. While I do, exceptionally, see some worth in roleclaims this game, it'll do as well with individual under pressure claim as with mass roleclaim. Maybe even better.
Anyway, a look at the remaining players:
Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.
Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.
Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.
Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.
Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.
White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?
I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.
Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.
Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:
Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin
White Flame of Tar Valon
Napoleon62
Darth_Katie
Fox and Ravens
Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca
Darth_Katie and the Chair
Fox and Ravens
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fanatic-Templar
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fox and Ravens
Darth_Katie
Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
Anyway, a look at the remaining players:
Yunalesca and I are freshly reincarnated in mostly unused personas - there's essentially nothing to go on since Hobo and Amys have not participated much in the game, there's little information to be drawn from previous Days. This makes us dangerous, but at the same time experience has shown that absent players are more typically pro-Light (often vanillas, though I make no roleclaim). At the same time, that's no certainty. It's also made worse by the fact that Hobo at least didn't leave from disinterest, but because he was otherwise occupied. Finally, Yunalesca's previous Joker role shows that even people who were initially tourists can change allegiance, meaning that even someone who has demonstrated ample pro-township might have been honest and only become evil afterward. Obviously, there is little that we can do to know any of this, but I'm simply warning everyone to take nothing for granted.
Kylia's actions were suspicious of her being in league with Yunalesca. Now that we know Yunalesca was a Serial Killer, it seems unlikely that they were in fact allied (the Serial Killer role somewhat precludes that) but it's still curious that she supported a move that would turn a townie into a Serial Killer, something that is definitely anti-town. Anyway, I suspect that despite her claims at knowing what Yunalesca's role was, she was in fact wrong and didn't know Yunalesca had turned evil.
Kronin was pretty antagonistic to Isaac about the whole Werewolf thing... can't remember much about what you did, sorry. You also refused to lynch Yunalesca on account that you suspected her of being a Jester, but that's fair enough explanation, especially given that Yunalesca role indicates she wasn't actually affiliated with anyone. I don't recall why you still refused to vote for her after she admitted to lying and screwing over the town for personal power, however. Anyway. Unless you're part of this 'second mafia' Isaac was so confident about, you're probably clean, really.
Darth_Katie has the previously mentioned love-hate relationship with Isaac... interestingly, she also shares Isaac's belief in a second mafia faction. This is interesting, because if she is aligned with Isaac and Talic, that would make them a three-scum mafia. If we assume the same number of mafia in the other faction, we come to six. Add the serial killer, and we have seven scum in a game of sixteen players. That's a lot, but since scum factions also operate against each other, I guess it isn't impossible. Still, I'm inclined to think one of the following: either we have another scum faction and Darth_Katie was definitely not aligned with Isaac, or we have only one mafia and she might be. Of course, both raise interesting questions. Is the reason Darth_Katie believes we have a second scum faction because she is part of one and knows it is too small to be the sole mafia (as I suspect was Isaac's reasoning)? Is her antagonism with Isaac because they suspected each other of being rival scum? On the other hand, if there is only one mafia faction, why one night kill on Night 1, and three on both subsequent Nights? Anyway, because Isaac seemed so confident that we had multiple faction, and because he was scum, I think it is unlikely that they were affiliated - this wouldn't be a ploy by Isaac, the only way to be confident about two scum factions on Day 1 is if you are mafia and know your faction is too small to be alone, it's one of the things that made him suspicious to me from the onset.
Oh, I think the 'let's massclaim' thing is supicious, though I don't think what you said in response to my earlier post was.
White Flame was allegedly the target of the Joker but ex-I was killed instead. There's probably something that should be derived from this, but I have no idea what it is. Frankly, I don't remember much about what you did, sorry. Although, interestingly enough, you hypocopped Darth_Katie guilty and then followed Fox and Ravens' notice of suspicion regarding her. I wonder, did you come in toDay with already some reason to suspect Darth_Katie? Would you care to share? Or was it only a coincidence?
I kinda like Fox and Ravens for his part in getting Yunalesca lynched YesterDay. Obviously, scum would benefit from the Serial Killer's death as well, but it shows opposition to blatant antitown behaviour, so what can I say, he gave off a good impression . Although he also seems to support Isaac a fair bit. The same things that applied to Darth_Katie apply to Fox and Ravens too, however. Either there are two mafia factions and he's not aligned with Isaac, or there's only one and he might be. Hmm. Maybe the second faction is Fox and Ravens/Darth_Katie? But no, Fox and Ravens sounded like he was going to try to get Darth_Katie lynched... Maybe he's with White Flame? They both seem to want Darth_Katie dead... then again, their suspicions are justified.
Napoleon... interestingly, I've had the thought occur to me that he was perhaps attacked by the vigilante mongoose on Night 1, which would surely count as a 'beast'. This would be interesting to a lesser extent because it means BlackAdder suspected Napoleon of being scum, but to the greater extent because it means there was no reported scum attack on Night 1. Even considering that Yunalesca was not yet a Serial Killer, I wonder why there would be no night kill from the mafia, especially if we have two? Of course, I could be mistaken and there is simply another beast out there.
Also, stuff that I'd like to keep within reach, voting records for living players:
Day 1, lynch of townie Kronin
White Flame of Tar Valon
Napoleon62
Darth_Katie
Fox and Ravens
Day 2, attempted lynch of suicidal Yunalesca
Darth_Katie and the Chair
Fox and Ravens
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fanatic-Templar
White Flame of Tar Valon
Fox and Ravens
Darth_Katie
Well, there isn't much variance there, really . Though I do expect that at least one of Darth_Katie, Fox and Ravens or White Flame of Tar Valon is scum.
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Victorious in Bergioyn's legendary 'Reverse Mafia'. *MySmiley*
RAFO Mafia 17, Day 4: Here We Go Again
17/07/2010 09:39:09 PM
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Hypocop Table
17/07/2010 09:52:26 PM
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still doing this? *sigh* whatever: i found fox and ravens to be innocent *NM*
17/07/2010 10:14:40 PM
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Don't care if I'm dead- I TOTALLY called Talic.
18/07/2010 01:55:01 AM
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Yeah I call shenanigans; also the Langoliers need to stop eating all the scum >.< *NM*
18/07/2010 12:37:25 PM
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Alrighty, what are we going to do now?
18/07/2010 09:31:44 PM
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Faction, not fraction.
18/07/2010 09:59:12 PM
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Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute.
19/07/2010 09:38:55 PM
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Re: Whoops ... I always almost do that and then fix it at the last minute.
20/07/2010 05:11:24 AM
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I meant that there's a possibility he was bluffing.
20/07/2010 01:05:48 PM
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Understandable now that you explained yourself...but it still irks me. *NM*
21/07/2010 05:52:30 AM
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Beet's hypocops
19/07/2010 05:05:53 AM
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In theory it is necessary to actually post to properly play the game
23/07/2010 12:00:08 AM
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i think everyone lost their zeal when the primary poster died
23/07/2010 12:24:32 AM
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LOL, DK's still alive
23/07/2010 12:53:21 AM
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Maybe we should mass claim?
23/07/2010 01:11:50 AM
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Okay so...
24/07/2010 04:58:31 AM
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Re: Okay so...
24/07/2010 03:47:58 PM
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I think so too...
24/07/2010 05:34:24 PM
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I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense.
24/07/2010 07:48:38 PM
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Re: I guess Talic being Captain Morgan that makes sense.
24/07/2010 10:37:31 PM
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Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive.
24/07/2010 10:43:27 PM
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Re: Huh, that seems a little counterintuitive.
25/07/2010 12:50:44 AM
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Did you have a say about whether or not to go in or was it decided by the mod? *NM*
25/07/2010 05:10:28 AM
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So I'm back.
25/07/2010 05:30:42 AM
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Re: So I'm back.
25/07/2010 06:38:51 AM
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Yes, that's the point.
25/07/2010 07:08:26 AM
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Re: Yes, that's the point.
25/07/2010 07:21:07 AM
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And you still didn't support lynching her then, is my point.
25/07/2010 06:10:32 PM
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Well, since I haven't taken part in a single vote thus far,can you really hold that against me? *NM*
27/07/2010 09:28:14 AM
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Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver. *NM*
25/07/2010 06:48:47 AM
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Re: Yuna1 with WF and old-you.... guess we have a Bus Driver.
25/07/2010 01:51:27 PM
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Re: So I'm back.
25/07/2010 01:50:54 PM
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what?
25/07/2010 05:54:56 PM
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That would actually be dead character knowledge, I think.
25/07/2010 06:13:15 PM
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i didn't know that
25/07/2010 06:33:24 PM
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Just shush about it, hope you don't get modkilled.
25/07/2010 07:32:56 PM
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I will if Ranagrande asks me to.
26/07/2010 02:23:18 AM
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I felt like it was past time I got back into this game.
29/07/2010 12:48:57 AM
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One detail...
29/07/2010 02:43:45 AM
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Re: I felt like it was past time I got back into this game.
29/07/2010 04:40:55 AM
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I would just like to note.
29/07/2010 04:43:44 AM
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Re: I would just like to note.
29/07/2010 04:56:21 AM
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Except Yesterday?
29/07/2010 06:31:22 PM
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*nods*
29/07/2010 08:11:35 PM
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Re: *nods*
30/07/2010 03:38:36 AM
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Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr.
30/07/2010 03:45:25 AM
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Re: Even if Yuna was telling the truth, she claimed to be Jack Kerr.
30/07/2010 04:51:56 AM
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well, no matter her actual claim, i still see it as the only vote worth looking at. *NM*
30/07/2010 04:53:54 AM
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Doesn't matter what she claimed to be.
30/07/2010 04:08:55 PM
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TBF, my char is dead now, so shut up about it *NM*
30/07/2010 05:15:25 PM
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No offense to you.
30/07/2010 09:45:21 PM
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The character formerly played by Napoleon62 now belongs to BlackAdder. *NM*
01/08/2010 04:14:38 AM
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So...one of you guys who found my analysis of DK suspicious...
01/08/2010 07:59:33 AM
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Since I am currently cursed with insomnia, I think I will give it a try.
01/08/2010 10:24:09 AM
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The character info compilation, which surprisingly hasn't been reposted
02/08/2010 01:05:26 AM
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OK, time to look at a few things
02/08/2010 03:58:41 AM
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A couple of notes.
02/08/2010 02:24:55 PM
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A simple torch can't fry a person completely to ashes *NM*
02/08/2010 10:31:05 PM
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But killing them then putting them over a fire would.
03/08/2010 03:23:25 AM
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I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer.
03/08/2010 03:58:54 AM
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Re: I do suspect that there's a fire-themed killer.
03/08/2010 05:08:21 PM
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Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay .
03/08/2010 07:23:46 PM
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Re: Yeah, but they used it all in a one-shot at the Battle of Blackwater Bay .
04/08/2010 02:49:50 PM
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You should read more carefully.
06/08/2010 04:13:45 AM
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Hrmm. All this dropping out is killing our game.
06/08/2010 05:11:41 AM
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So, let's up the pressure a bit.
06/08/2010 06:37:22 AM
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Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit.
06/08/2010 04:49:16 PM
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Re: So, let's up the pressure a bit.
06/08/2010 05:55:27 PM
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I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims...
06/08/2010 06:33:30 PM
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Re: I'm not generally a believer in forcing roleclaims...
06/08/2010 10:02:12 PM
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hey ho, summats happening
06/08/2010 11:05:34 PM
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Uh, I think you just lynched her
07/08/2010 03:59:19 AM
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EBWOP: Maybe not
07/08/2010 04:01:54 AM
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Re: EBWOP: Maybe not
07/08/2010 06:37:10 AM
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EBWOP
07/08/2010 06:39:48 AM
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She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes
07/08/2010 03:54:09 AM
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Re: She already claimed to be the road runner from Looney Tunes
07/08/2010 05:18:58 AM
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Hmph, I thought it would be obvious.
07/08/2010 03:27:15 PM
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That's a reasonable interest.
07/08/2010 03:35:01 PM
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Re: That's a reasonable interest.
07/08/2010 05:12:30 PM
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Also, the roadrunner hurts the coyote quite a bit.
07/08/2010 05:13:56 PM
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Well, there's your roleclaim.
07/08/2010 06:21:17 PM
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I think you can stop with the voting now. You've done what you wanted and it worked.
07/08/2010 06:44:29 PM
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Re: Well, there's your roleclaim.
07/08/2010 07:00:36 PM
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Or she could have investigated him. Just laying out all the options.
07/08/2010 07:04:16 PM
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That or White Flame is lying now.
07/08/2010 07:55:00 PM
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In your hypocop on Day 3, you claimed 'BlackAdder - guilty'
07/08/2010 09:32:55 PM
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Hey! What'd I do?
07/08/2010 05:42:29 AM
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Re: Hey! What'd I do?
07/08/2010 05:12:04 PM
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I jumped too quickly. If it's not too late - Unvote *NM*
08/08/2010 03:06:35 AM
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I think it's too late
08/08/2010 06:43:30 AM
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Well, we'll find out soon enough I suppose.
08/08/2010 03:16:07 PM
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Well, if you didn't lie, you should be alright anyway. *NM*
08/08/2010 05:15:32 PM
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Taking one for the team, right?
08/08/2010 06:28:37 PM
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EBWOP: someone needs to page ranagrande, too *NM*
08/08/2010 06:29:46 PM
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*sschtz* Paging Dr. Ranagrande ... you're wanted in surgery *scchtxz*
09/08/2010 02:47:15 AM
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Darth_Katie has been lynched
09/08/2010 03:07:32 AM
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I believe we are past 125 hours -- any update on when this will start back up? *NM*
13/08/2010 06:39:40 AM
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So, do we assume Ranagrande has vanished and just move on to the next game? *NM*
14/08/2010 08:05:27 PM
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Give it another day, stalemate isn't preferable
14/08/2010 08:46:02 PM
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go post in the RP then
14/08/2010 09:42:55 PM
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I would be willing to try a replacement mod idea before calling it quits
15/08/2010 12:48:50 AM
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