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Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense Isaac Send a noteboard - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM
For the moment, I'm just going to assume she's town, and that she's telling us the truth on everything. Needless to say, I really doubt this, but let's try it and run through some options

She says she is not the vig, but attacked Napoleon, she also says she'd not a Heroic Do Gooder but is from Modern Earth and DC-verse.

Option #1 - Paranoid Gun Owner - Attacks anyone who targets them at night. Probelm here is that if Napoleon is a doc and targeted her, she would have attacked and killed him, but he isn't dead and he says he docced himself, not her.

Option #2 - Bomb - This person kills anyone who NKs them, but same logic, how could Napoleon defend himself if he targeted her?

Option #3 - Super Saint - Kills a hammer vote on them, he never voted for her let alone hammered her.

That's the 3 town killing role, Army veteran and PGO being identical, and she says she's not a vig. Now, she could have had a one-shot kill, but I don't see her expending that on night 1. We also have the elite bodyguard, who can kill or has a chance to kill, anyone who targets their ward. A paranoid version of this is possible, maybe a cross of the PGO and the EBG, attacking anyone who targets their ward, so that if a doc targeted X, and our paranoid guard targeted X, the paranoid guard attacks them. Again though, this breaks down if Napoleon is telling the truth, and targeted himself.

That's really it for town-based roles that can attack someone. I for one think something about this whole situation stinks, I'm sure we all do, but I suspect it makes sense too, as some sort of plot, and it's either really good or really bad but looked really good to whoever was behind it. Neither Napoleon or Yunalesca have spoken up recently, and that's pretty weird. Why hasn't Napoleon voted for Yunalesca? I mean, I could see him wanting to hold his vote for more info, but he hasn't even talked about it.

Weird options? I can think of plenty but most have huge gaping flaws in them... they may still have been done, plotting as a scummer is much harder than it might look like, plans go awry because the loophole in your plot turns out to be big enough to drive a truck through, see game 4 "Cor Amon claims mason" for an example, or Shaido half-doc, or Gher accuses cult ally, and so on. So it could be something really dumb. Even as a jester role, this is a very bad way to get yourself lynched. I can think of a dozen ways to get oneself lynched without ever raising the specter of the jester, sure wouldn't claim DC-comics with the joker coming to mind so easily either.

Pretty much no matter how you cut it though, Yuna is anti-town, and she's not answering questions, so waiting is a waste of time. Worst case scenario we kill off a town role who's acting really anti-town, most likely she's an anti-town or scum role though.
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive - 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM 1695 Views
Vote Table - 26/06/2010 07:40:39 AM 679 Views
Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM 681 Views
Re: Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 04:20:48 PM 669 Views
I was poisoned. - 26/06/2010 04:33:50 PM 725 Views
Yeah, that's interesting. - 26/06/2010 06:04:45 PM 636 Views
I as well was attacked - 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM 748 Views
A beast? That's interesting - 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM 683 Views
If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM* - 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM 395 Views
Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info - 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM 719 Views
Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo. - 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM 711 Views
I'll just say one thing - 28/06/2010 12:01:32 AM 615 Views
Well, I should pay attention. - 28/06/2010 04:48:18 AM 626 Views
Yes, it was a beast - 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM 654 Views
Was it a werewolf? - 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM 697 Views
No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM 695 Views
Re: No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM 710 Views
I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM 749 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM 615 Views
A few ideas - 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM 681 Views
Re: A few ideas - 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM 628 Views
Hmm, why is that? - 27/06/2010 02:23:31 AM 694 Views
That BP is usually town? - 27/06/2010 03:13:11 AM 624 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:12:32 AM 685 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:30:29 AM 550 Views
So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday - 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM 635 Views
Alright, questions. - 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM 705 Views
You forgot HDG *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM 372 Views
Which is.... *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM 413 Views
Heroic Do Gooder *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:56:21 AM 408 Views
Yes *NM* - 27/06/2010 03:01:59 PM 380 Views
Sorry guys, but life is suddenly way busy. - 26/06/2010 09:08:19 PM 621 Views
We'll miss you - 27/06/2010 03:06:27 PM 588 Views
Going back to yesterday - 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM 642 Views
I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac - 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM 668 Views
damn - 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM 720 Views
Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM* - 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM 350 Views
EBWOP - Elaboration. - 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM 713 Views
FINE. FINE. FINE - 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM 667 Views
Whyyyyyyyyyy - 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM 615 Views
This is pretty much what I expected... - 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM 633 Views
I'm inclined to believe his claim - 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM 706 Views
Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts. - 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM 664 Views
I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM 693 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:08:58 AM 703 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:45:35 AM 627 Views
That's right! You're alive again! DUDE, I am so annoyed at you! - 27/06/2010 07:22:20 AM 602 Views
Short post, with elaboration to come later. - 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM 655 Views
Okay, elaboration time. - 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM 656 Views
Hmm, that is a pretty bold accusation - 27/06/2010 11:55:23 PM 595 Views
Re: Okay, elaboration time. - 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM 580 Views
Now, what I want to know. - 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM 590 Views
Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt - 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM 594 Views
You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM 507 Views
Re: You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM 637 Views
Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now. - 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM 587 Views
Then let's return to Artsapat for now - 28/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 617 Views
So, where'd the night kill go? - 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM 543 Views
That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM 633 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM 603 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM 635 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM 595 Views
Hypocop Table! - 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM 635 Views
I found F-T to be Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 05:37:19 PM 383 Views
i found Amys to be Guilty *NM* - 27/06/2010 06:20:15 PM 410 Views
I found myself to be roleblocked, so... yeah. *NM* - 27/06/2010 08:31:37 PM 423 Views
F-T; Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 11:57:15 PM 347 Views
Beetnemesis innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:29:18 AM 304 Views
Isaac- innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:19:00 AM 374 Views
Napoleon - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:01 AM 335 Views
I found I was dead. *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:39 AM 343 Views
Are you saying you didn't get Blaine's role until dawn? *NM* - 28/06/2010 11:59:31 AM 376 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 01:28:38 PM 356 Views
Fox - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 07:44:54 PM 264 Views
Isaac is guilty... GUILTY I SAY!! Also; - 01/07/2010 05:53:17 PM 577 Views
Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM 638 Views
dawn/dusk - no *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:35:59 PM 351 Views
Re: Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 04:33:30 PM 622 Views
Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 04:41:26 PM 588 Views
Re: Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 05:26:45 PM 612 Views
I thought so, it's why I wanted to check with others *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:25:16 PM 415 Views
Well, first off, congratulations. - 28/06/2010 05:43:47 PM 621 Views
Congratulations! How wonderful - 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM 591 Views
Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie - 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM 567 Views
Two things: - 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM 634 Views
For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though. - 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM 623 Views
Oh, well according to him - 28/06/2010 10:55:05 PM 595 Views
Also - 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM 544 Views
We could be dealing with just a Cult. - 28/06/2010 11:42:19 PM 610 Views
Yeah, but if we got lucky... game over on Day 1 *NM* - 29/06/2010 12:25:54 AM 372 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM 289 Views
Voting record. - 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM 664 Views
Hey, isn't this Katie's job? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:18:10 PM 382 Views
Hey, volunteer yourself. - 28/06/2010 10:47:22 PM 552 Views
I'll probably spew one out again - 29/06/2010 05:49:54 AM 555 Views
you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM 401 Views
What? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:49:47 PM 346 Views
And you've only realized that now? - 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM 556 Views
read my posts carefully - 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM 564 Views
... - 28/06/2010 11:49:07 PM 636 Views
Okay, let's do that - 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM 627 Views
Don't suppose you checked her posts for spoilers, did you? - 29/06/2010 07:22:13 AM 619 Views
Yes, nothing - 29/06/2010 08:20:33 AM 650 Views
*laughs helplessly* - 01/07/2010 09:21:48 AM 672 Views
I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM 658 Views
Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM 590 Views
i confessed to being the beast *NM* - 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM 399 Views
Well, that... doesn't sound smart. - 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM 672 Views
I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched. - 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM 634 Views
I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM 408 Views
Actually I'm betting on a Buffy claim right now *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:44:54 PM 385 Views
I say we don't lynch - 29/06/2010 07:11:50 PM 639 Views
We should probably just wait for her claim *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:18:13 PM 392 Views
Oh, come on - 29/06/2010 04:50:09 PM 587 Views
Yep, now is probably a good time to Role Claim. *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:01:01 PM 398 Views
I think a few people might have intially thought that - 29/06/2010 10:25:06 PM 631 Views
Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM 580 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM 688 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM 612 Views
Then please repeat it for me. - 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM 572 Views
I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM 607 Views
Re: I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM 592 Views
Yes, that makes more sense. - 30/06/2010 04:14:50 AM 612 Views
That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext... - 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM 551 Views
It still worked out pretty well, as I recall. - 30/06/2010 04:30:18 AM 539 Views
I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill - 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM 568 Views
Because it isn't like a lynch at all. - 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM 600 Views
There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM 591 Views
Re: There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:21:09 PM 618 Views
the quiet ones... - 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM 618 Views
Some advice - 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM 549 Views
You're probably right... - 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM 594 Views
This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon. - 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM 627 Views
Always a good thing. *NM* - 03/07/2010 04:38:34 AM 302 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 02/07/2010 08:21:48 AM 590 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 03/07/2010 04:39:26 AM 557 Views
Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM 389 Views
Yes? *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:40:11 PM 251 Views
So, Yuna. What's your game? - 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM 614 Views
If she's a vig, I'll be slightly disappointed - 30/06/2010 04:37:10 AM 589 Views
*laughs* - 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM 614 Views
I don't know what kind of game you're playing. - 30/06/2010 01:11:02 PM 609 Views
Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy - 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM 619 Views
Let me just say this: If she is a Jester... - 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM 603 Views
I agree - 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM 560 Views
It seems win-win either way - 30/06/2010 06:29:41 PM 600 Views
Screw the Jesters. - 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM 648 Views
It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them - 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM 649 Views
Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims - 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM 642 Views
I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM 599 Views
Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM 653 Views
Jester's are awful. They ruin the game. - 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM 649 Views
That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM 358 Views
I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts . *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM 248 Views
I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to. - 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM 586 Views
Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM 338 Views
Hah! Awesome *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:14:33 AM 357 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:43:25 AM 359 Views
unfortunatly im RBIRL - 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM 564 Views
See? It's stuff like this - 01/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 557 Views
It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so - 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM 582 Views
EBWOP: and also Artsapat! - 01/07/2010 04:57:39 PM 603 Views
I'm still here. Unfortunately... - 02/07/2010 08:30:01 AM 497 Views
It's Canada Day today! - 01/07/2010 05:44:52 PM 587 Views
any excuse for a party! *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:12:30 PM 386 Views
Testing... (Table) - 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM 746 Views
Huzzah! - 01/07/2010 05:20:04 PM 559 Views
Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM 589 Views
No, guess not. - 01/07/2010 05:27:58 PM 602 Views
Re: Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM 605 Views
Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 656 Views
Re: Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:42:37 PM 591 Views
hmm - 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM 623 Views
Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM 611 Views
Re: Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM 728 Views
I am SO cheap. - 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM 546 Views
I donated to the site - 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM 575 Views
There, there. - 02/07/2010 08:39:06 PM 579 Views
This allows you to instantly defeat any moral Anakin. - 02/07/2010 09:16:13 PM 494 Views
Ah, OK - 01/07/2010 06:04:11 PM 607 Views
No luck with page anchors - 01/07/2010 06:23:44 PM 600 Views
And yeah, I will quit screwing around with it in the game - 01/07/2010 06:25:38 PM 628 Views
Darth_Katie has been elected Chair - 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM 594 Views
Can I unvote if I want? - 01/07/2010 06:41:02 PM 528 Views
Yeah, it was advocate that couldn't undo and redo - 01/07/2010 06:44:43 PM 674 Views
So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day? - 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM 630 Views
I think we might've already? - 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM 608 Views
I didn't miss them - 03/07/2010 08:14:15 AM 438 Views
You spelled her name wrong DK *NM* - 03/07/2010 11:53:02 AM 432 Views
I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa - 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM 664 Views
- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM 597 Views
Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling - 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM 621 Views
.....? *NM* - 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM 378 Views
Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM 584 Views
Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM 582 Views
Re: Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM 646 Views
Just thinking aloud. - 03/07/2010 11:11:27 PM 600 Views
Understandable, I don't think this was a day action though - 03/07/2010 11:40:00 PM 542 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:27:52 PM 569 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:37:08 PM 778 Views
Re: - 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM 577 Views
Maybe - 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM 611 Views
Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table - 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM 605 Views
That was actually a mistake my me - 03/07/2010 08:28:43 PM 610 Views
Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM 608 Views
She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM 671 Views
Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM 506 Views
Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM 663 Views
Re: Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM 548 Views
Yea! *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:12:06 AM 248 Views
Wait, we're still L-1 - 04/07/2010 01:12:55 AM 550 Views
That might do it - 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM 614 Views
Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM 381 Views
I definitely don't want to vote her - 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM 560 Views
Agreed... - 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM 589 Views
Explain that - 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM 640 Views
*cackles wickedly* - 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM 583 Views
Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM 571 Views
Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM 592 Views
Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM 619 Views
Exactly *NM* - 04/07/2010 03:46:00 AM 447 Views
Re: Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:57:19 AM 595 Views
It means we waste a lynch though. - 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM 601 Views
You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her - 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM 558 Views
I'm not assuming that - 04/07/2010 04:40:06 PM 630 Views
Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me. - 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM 650 Views
If it's a vote steal, rather than a block... - 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM 576 Views
I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction. - 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM 583 Views
Don't know if that would work... - 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM 600 Views
We could try, at least. - 04/07/2010 03:22:17 PM 598 Views
Oh sure, I agree. - 04/07/2010 06:04:20 PM 548 Views
It's Artsapat, has to be - 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM 609 Views
I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man - 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM 566 Views
In one of my previous mafia games, I was a vote thief - 04/07/2010 04:50:18 PM 594 Views
That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM 589 Views
Re: That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM 626 Views
- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM 608 Views
Actually - 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM 606 Views
I'm fairly content with that logic - 05/07/2010 04:37:41 PM 583 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 424 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 527 Views
EBWOP: Something is wrong with my mouse *NM* - 05/07/2010 04:43:03 PM 369 Views
Yeah, that sounds pretty legit. - 05/07/2010 04:54:34 PM 608 Views
Kinda overlooked the RB comment, also, you need to unvote - 05/07/2010 05:06:59 PM 647 Views
My thoughts re: Yunalesca - 04/07/2010 06:30:41 PM 612 Views
And since people love answering questions - 05/07/2010 12:33:42 AM 609 Views
Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 06:39:39 PM 652 Views
Re: Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 07:49:10 PM 598 Views

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