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There's a second half to that too Isaac Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM
Any lynch will involve more than half the town, with a lot of information thrown out by the people pressing or opposing the lynch. This can be used to divine those players' intentions.

With a night kill, there is no information. We don't even know if the person was killed by a vigilante, a serial killer, the mafia, or someone else.


With a vig night 1 kill, we tend to assume TANK-F, but if it doesn't happen till night 2, a later vig claim is more believable.

Plus of course there's the judgement factor, a lot of people who become firmly convinced someone is a DF on day 1 are in orbit, because typically if there was real evidence for it they would have been lynched. Now, a vig would have had a good case to whack Artsapat, for instance, or pretty much any runner up for lynch where the person who got lynched didn't basically prove the runner up innocent. There's certainly cases where a night 1 vig kill is in order, I just tend not to expect better than random from them.

Better for them not to kill, but any of them should ask - especially before a night 1 kill - 'If this person is a town, can I explain my action better than as a hunch to the other townies?'
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive - 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM 1888 Views
Vote Table - 26/06/2010 07:40:39 AM 896 Views
Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM 880 Views
Re: Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 04:20:48 PM 852 Views
I was poisoned. - 26/06/2010 04:33:50 PM 917 Views
Yeah, that's interesting. - 26/06/2010 06:04:45 PM 854 Views
I as well was attacked - 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM 951 Views
A beast? That's interesting - 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM 875 Views
If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM* - 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM 475 Views
Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info - 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM 908 Views
Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo. - 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM 908 Views
I'll just say one thing - 28/06/2010 12:01:32 AM 807 Views
Well, I should pay attention. - 28/06/2010 04:48:18 AM 827 Views
Yes, it was a beast - 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM 852 Views
Was it a werewolf? - 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM 910 Views
No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM 914 Views
Re: No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM 904 Views
I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM 939 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM 817 Views
A few ideas - 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM 874 Views
Re: A few ideas - 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM 823 Views
Hmm, why is that? - 27/06/2010 02:23:31 AM 878 Views
That BP is usually town? - 27/06/2010 03:13:11 AM 810 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:12:32 AM 875 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:30:29 AM 750 Views
So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday - 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM 812 Views
Alright, questions. - 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM 896 Views
You forgot HDG *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM 468 Views
Which is.... *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM 508 Views
Heroic Do Gooder *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:56:21 AM 504 Views
Yes *NM* - 27/06/2010 03:01:59 PM 468 Views
Sorry guys, but life is suddenly way busy. - 26/06/2010 09:08:19 PM 810 Views
We'll miss you - 27/06/2010 03:06:27 PM 770 Views
Going back to yesterday - 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM 830 Views
I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac - 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM 858 Views
damn - 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM 914 Views
Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM* - 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM 433 Views
EBWOP - Elaboration. - 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM 896 Views
FINE. FINE. FINE - 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM 849 Views
Whyyyyyyyyyy - 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM 810 Views
This is pretty much what I expected... - 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM 807 Views
I'm inclined to believe his claim - 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM 899 Views
Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts. - 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM 843 Views
I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM 888 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:08:58 AM 903 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:45:35 AM 816 Views
That's right! You're alive again! DUDE, I am so annoyed at you! - 27/06/2010 07:22:20 AM 798 Views
Short post, with elaboration to come later. - 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM 844 Views
Okay, elaboration time. - 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM 835 Views
Hmm, that is a pretty bold accusation - 27/06/2010 11:55:23 PM 778 Views
Re: Okay, elaboration time. - 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM 772 Views
Now, what I want to know. - 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM 787 Views
Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt - 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM 776 Views
You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM 686 Views
Re: You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM 824 Views
Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now. - 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM 791 Views
Then let's return to Artsapat for now - 28/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 790 Views
So, where'd the night kill go? - 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM 733 Views
That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM 822 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM 783 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM 829 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM 793 Views
Hypocop Table! - 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM 830 Views
I found F-T to be Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 05:37:19 PM 473 Views
i found Amys to be Guilty *NM* - 27/06/2010 06:20:15 PM 504 Views
I found myself to be roleblocked, so... yeah. *NM* - 27/06/2010 08:31:37 PM 505 Views
F-T; Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 11:57:15 PM 435 Views
Beetnemesis innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:29:18 AM 386 Views
Isaac- innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:19:00 AM 455 Views
Napoleon - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:01 AM 423 Views
I found I was dead. *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:39 AM 434 Views
Are you saying you didn't get Blaine's role until dawn? *NM* - 28/06/2010 11:59:31 AM 463 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 01:28:38 PM 448 Views
Fox - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 07:44:54 PM 355 Views
Isaac is guilty... GUILTY I SAY!! Also; - 01/07/2010 05:53:17 PM 764 Views
Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM 859 Views
dawn/dusk - no *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:35:59 PM 439 Views
Re: Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 04:33:30 PM 787 Views
Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 04:41:26 PM 773 Views
Re: Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 05:26:45 PM 806 Views
I thought so, it's why I wanted to check with others *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:25:16 PM 506 Views
Well, first off, congratulations. - 28/06/2010 05:43:47 PM 776 Views
Congratulations! How wonderful - 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM 786 Views
Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie - 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM 760 Views
Two things: - 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM 827 Views
For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though. - 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM 826 Views
Oh, well according to him - 28/06/2010 10:55:05 PM 794 Views
Also - 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM 712 Views
We could be dealing with just a Cult. - 28/06/2010 11:42:19 PM 798 Views
Yeah, but if we got lucky... game over on Day 1 *NM* - 29/06/2010 12:25:54 AM 456 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM 373 Views
Voting record. - 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM 850 Views
Hey, isn't this Katie's job? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:18:10 PM 468 Views
Hey, volunteer yourself. - 28/06/2010 10:47:22 PM 742 Views
I'll probably spew one out again - 29/06/2010 05:49:54 AM 738 Views
you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM 495 Views
What? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:49:47 PM 438 Views
And you've only realized that now? - 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM 753 Views
read my posts carefully - 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM 745 Views
... - 28/06/2010 11:49:07 PM 819 Views
Okay, let's do that - 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM 818 Views
Don't suppose you checked her posts for spoilers, did you? - 29/06/2010 07:22:13 AM 802 Views
Yes, nothing - 29/06/2010 08:20:33 AM 857 Views
*laughs helplessly* - 01/07/2010 09:21:48 AM 866 Views
I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM 844 Views
Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM 766 Views
i confessed to being the beast *NM* - 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM 480 Views
Well, that... doesn't sound smart. - 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM 852 Views
I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched. - 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM 840 Views
I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM 498 Views
Actually I'm betting on a Buffy claim right now *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:44:54 PM 479 Views
I say we don't lynch - 29/06/2010 07:11:50 PM 830 Views
We should probably just wait for her claim *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:18:13 PM 472 Views
Oh, come on - 29/06/2010 04:50:09 PM 766 Views
Yep, now is probably a good time to Role Claim. *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:01:01 PM 497 Views
I think a few people might have intially thought that - 29/06/2010 10:25:06 PM 822 Views
Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM 772 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM 874 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM 795 Views
Then please repeat it for me. - 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM 740 Views
I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM 786 Views
Re: I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM 780 Views
Yes, that makes more sense. - 30/06/2010 04:14:50 AM 797 Views
That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext... - 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM 738 Views
It still worked out pretty well, as I recall. - 30/06/2010 04:30:18 AM 732 Views
I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill - 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM 749 Views
Because it isn't like a lynch at all. - 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM 771 Views
There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM 779 Views
Re: There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:21:09 PM 800 Views
the quiet ones... - 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM 807 Views
Some advice - 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM 731 Views
You're probably right... - 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM 769 Views
This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon. - 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM 810 Views
Always a good thing. *NM* - 03/07/2010 04:38:34 AM 383 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 02/07/2010 08:21:48 AM 751 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 03/07/2010 04:39:26 AM 744 Views
Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM 475 Views
Yes? *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:40:11 PM 337 Views
So, Yuna. What's your game? - 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM 803 Views
If she's a vig, I'll be slightly disappointed - 30/06/2010 04:37:10 AM 779 Views
*laughs* - 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM 784 Views
I don't know what kind of game you're playing. - 30/06/2010 01:11:02 PM 794 Views
Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy - 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM 807 Views
Let me just say this: If she is a Jester... - 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM 753 Views
I agree - 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM 744 Views
It seems win-win either way - 30/06/2010 06:29:41 PM 783 Views
Screw the Jesters. - 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM 833 Views
It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them - 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM 830 Views
Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims - 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM 826 Views
I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM 784 Views
Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM 824 Views
Jester's are awful. They ruin the game. - 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM 829 Views
That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM 449 Views
I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts . *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM 325 Views
I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to. - 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM 781 Views
Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM 419 Views
Hah! Awesome *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:14:33 AM 438 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:43:25 AM 439 Views
unfortunatly im RBIRL - 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM 736 Views
See? It's stuff like this - 01/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 718 Views
It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so - 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM 779 Views
EBWOP: and also Artsapat! - 01/07/2010 04:57:39 PM 775 Views
I'm still here. Unfortunately... - 02/07/2010 08:30:01 AM 688 Views
It's Canada Day today! - 01/07/2010 05:44:52 PM 770 Views
any excuse for a party! *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:12:30 PM 464 Views
Testing... (Table) - 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM 929 Views
Huzzah! - 01/07/2010 05:20:04 PM 747 Views
Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM 772 Views
No, guess not. - 01/07/2010 05:27:58 PM 795 Views
Re: Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM 801 Views
Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 852 Views
Re: Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:42:37 PM 779 Views
hmm - 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM 798 Views
Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM 793 Views
Re: Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM 922 Views
I am SO cheap. - 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM 706 Views
I donated to the site - 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM 759 Views
There, there. - 02/07/2010 08:39:06 PM 768 Views
This allows you to instantly defeat any moral Anakin. - 02/07/2010 09:16:13 PM 672 Views
Ah, OK - 01/07/2010 06:04:11 PM 783 Views
No luck with page anchors - 01/07/2010 06:23:44 PM 786 Views
And yeah, I will quit screwing around with it in the game - 01/07/2010 06:25:38 PM 816 Views
Darth_Katie has been elected Chair - 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM 790 Views
Can I unvote if I want? - 01/07/2010 06:41:02 PM 705 Views
Yeah, it was advocate that couldn't undo and redo - 01/07/2010 06:44:43 PM 864 Views
So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day? - 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM 807 Views
I think we might've already? - 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM 797 Views
I didn't miss them - 03/07/2010 08:14:15 AM 622 Views
You spelled her name wrong DK *NM* - 03/07/2010 11:53:02 AM 546 Views
I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa - 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM 859 Views
- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM 788 Views
Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling - 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM 815 Views
.....? *NM* - 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM 458 Views
Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM 773 Views
Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM 766 Views
Re: Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM 826 Views
Just thinking aloud. - 03/07/2010 11:11:27 PM 774 Views
Understandable, I don't think this was a day action though - 03/07/2010 11:40:00 PM 730 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:27:52 PM 753 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:37:08 PM 999 Views
Re: - 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM 756 Views
Maybe - 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM 790 Views
Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table - 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM 783 Views
That was actually a mistake my me - 03/07/2010 08:28:43 PM 800 Views
Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM 785 Views
She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM 853 Views
Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM 695 Views
Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM 844 Views
Re: Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM 733 Views
Yea! *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:12:06 AM 322 Views
Wait, we're still L-1 - 04/07/2010 01:12:55 AM 747 Views
That might do it - 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM 797 Views
Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM 469 Views
I definitely don't want to vote her - 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM 747 Views
Agreed... - 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM 754 Views
Explain that - 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM 826 Views
*cackles wickedly* - 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM 760 Views
Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM 747 Views
Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM 772 Views
Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM 816 Views
Exactly *NM* - 04/07/2010 03:46:00 AM 555 Views
Re: Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:57:19 AM 777 Views
It means we waste a lynch though. - 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM 800 Views
You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her - 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM 732 Views
I'm not assuming that - 04/07/2010 04:40:06 PM 820 Views
Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me. - 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM 831 Views
If it's a vote steal, rather than a block... - 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM 724 Views
I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction. - 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM 733 Views
Don't know if that would work... - 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM 770 Views
We could try, at least. - 04/07/2010 03:22:17 PM 769 Views
Oh sure, I agree. - 04/07/2010 06:04:20 PM 730 Views
It's Artsapat, has to be - 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM 788 Views
I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man - 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM 759 Views
In one of my previous mafia games, I was a vote thief - 04/07/2010 04:50:18 PM 786 Views
That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM 771 Views
Re: That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM 777 Views
- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM 789 Views
Actually - 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM 787 Views
I'm fairly content with that logic - 05/07/2010 04:37:41 PM 792 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 614 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 720 Views
EBWOP: Something is wrong with my mouse *NM* - 05/07/2010 04:43:03 PM 456 Views
Yeah, that sounds pretty legit. - 05/07/2010 04:54:34 PM 813 Views
Kinda overlooked the RB comment, also, you need to unvote - 05/07/2010 05:06:59 PM 835 Views
My thoughts re: Yunalesca - 04/07/2010 06:30:41 PM 793 Views
And since people love answering questions - 05/07/2010 12:33:42 AM 788 Views
Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 06:39:39 PM 840 Views
Re: Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 07:49:10 PM 816 Views

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