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There's a second half to that too Isaac Send a noteboard - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM
Any lynch will involve more than half the town, with a lot of information thrown out by the people pressing or opposing the lynch. This can be used to divine those players' intentions.

With a night kill, there is no information. We don't even know if the person was killed by a vigilante, a serial killer, the mafia, or someone else.


With a vig night 1 kill, we tend to assume TANK-F, but if it doesn't happen till night 2, a later vig claim is more believable.

Plus of course there's the judgement factor, a lot of people who become firmly convinced someone is a DF on day 1 are in orbit, because typically if there was real evidence for it they would have been lynched. Now, a vig would have had a good case to whack Artsapat, for instance, or pretty much any runner up for lynch where the person who got lynched didn't basically prove the runner up innocent. There's certainly cases where a night 1 vig kill is in order, I just tend not to expect better than random from them.

Better for them not to kill, but any of them should ask - especially before a night 1 kill - 'If this person is a town, can I explain my action better than as a hunch to the other townies?'
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RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive - 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM 1787 Views
Vote Table - 26/06/2010 07:40:39 AM 782 Views
Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM 779 Views
Re: Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive - 26/06/2010 04:20:48 PM 765 Views
I was poisoned. - 26/06/2010 04:33:50 PM 820 Views
Yeah, that's interesting. - 26/06/2010 06:04:45 PM 739 Views
I as well was attacked - 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM 846 Views
A beast? That's interesting - 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM 778 Views
If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM* - 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM 429 Views
Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info - 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM 813 Views
Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo. - 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM 804 Views
I'll just say one thing - 28/06/2010 12:01:32 AM 708 Views
Well, I should pay attention. - 28/06/2010 04:48:18 AM 726 Views
Yes, it was a beast - 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM 754 Views
Was it a werewolf? - 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM 802 Views
No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM 802 Views
Re: No evidence to suggest it was... - 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM 806 Views
I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM 847 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM 703 Views
A few ideas - 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM 770 Views
Re: A few ideas - 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM 727 Views
Hmm, why is that? - 27/06/2010 02:23:31 AM 789 Views
That BP is usually town? - 27/06/2010 03:13:11 AM 723 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:12:32 AM 781 Views
Re: I know how I was saved - 27/06/2010 05:30:29 AM 649 Views
So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday - 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM 725 Views
Alright, questions. - 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM 797 Views
You forgot HDG *NM* - 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM 418 Views
Which is.... *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM 460 Views
Heroic Do Gooder *NM* - 27/06/2010 12:56:21 AM 456 Views
Yes *NM* - 27/06/2010 03:01:59 PM 422 Views
Sorry guys, but life is suddenly way busy. - 26/06/2010 09:08:19 PM 715 Views
We'll miss you - 27/06/2010 03:06:27 PM 675 Views
Going back to yesterday - 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM 737 Views
I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac - 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM 762 Views
damn - 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM 818 Views
Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM* - 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM 395 Views
EBWOP - Elaboration. - 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM 799 Views
FINE. FINE. FINE - 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM 758 Views
Whyyyyyyyyyy - 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM 714 Views
This is pretty much what I expected... - 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM 721 Views
I'm inclined to believe his claim - 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM 801 Views
Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts. - 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM 754 Views
I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM 789 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:08:58 AM 804 Views
Re: I hadn't really thought of that - 27/06/2010 02:45:35 AM 722 Views
That's right! You're alive again! DUDE, I am so annoyed at you! - 27/06/2010 07:22:20 AM 698 Views
Short post, with elaboration to come later. - 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM 749 Views
Okay, elaboration time. - 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM 747 Views
Hmm, that is a pretty bold accusation - 27/06/2010 11:55:23 PM 690 Views
Re: Okay, elaboration time. - 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM 685 Views
Now, what I want to know. - 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM 690 Views
Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt - 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM 690 Views
You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM 598 Views
Re: You're not seeing my point. - 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM 727 Views
Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now. - 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM 687 Views
Then let's return to Artsapat for now - 28/06/2010 08:19:21 PM 679 Views
So, where'd the night kill go? - 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM 642 Views
That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM 729 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM 692 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM 727 Views
Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them - 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM 689 Views
Hypocop Table! - 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM 737 Views
I found F-T to be Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 05:37:19 PM 431 Views
i found Amys to be Guilty *NM* - 27/06/2010 06:20:15 PM 456 Views
I found myself to be roleblocked, so... yeah. *NM* - 27/06/2010 08:31:37 PM 458 Views
F-T; Innocent *NM* - 27/06/2010 11:57:15 PM 391 Views
Beetnemesis innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:29:18 AM 347 Views
Isaac- innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:19:00 AM 418 Views
Napoleon - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:01 AM 378 Views
I found I was dead. *NM* - 28/06/2010 04:47:39 AM 390 Views
Are you saying you didn't get Blaine's role until dawn? *NM* - 28/06/2010 11:59:31 AM 420 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 01:28:38 PM 405 Views
Fox - Innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 07:44:54 PM 305 Views
Isaac is guilty... GUILTY I SAY!! Also; - 01/07/2010 05:53:17 PM 678 Views
Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM 738 Views
dawn/dusk - no *NM* - 28/06/2010 03:35:59 PM 389 Views
Re: Staying Alive indeed - 28/06/2010 04:33:30 PM 689 Views
Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 04:41:26 PM 676 Views
Re: Regarding the dawn/dusk message, I must object very strongly - 28/06/2010 05:26:45 PM 704 Views
I thought so, it's why I wanted to check with others *NM* - 28/06/2010 06:25:16 PM 463 Views
Well, first off, congratulations. - 28/06/2010 05:43:47 PM 686 Views
Congratulations! How wonderful - 28/06/2010 08:42:51 PM 686 Views
Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie - 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM 667 Views
Two things: - 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM 730 Views
For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though. - 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM 738 Views
Oh, well according to him - 28/06/2010 10:55:05 PM 702 Views
Also - 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM 627 Views
We could be dealing with just a Cult. - 28/06/2010 11:42:19 PM 708 Views
Yeah, but if we got lucky... game over on Day 1 *NM* - 29/06/2010 12:25:54 AM 409 Views
Yunalesca - innocent *NM* - 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM 330 Views
Voting record. - 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM 753 Views
Hey, isn't this Katie's job? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:18:10 PM 422 Views
Hey, volunteer yourself. - 28/06/2010 10:47:22 PM 646 Views
I'll probably spew one out again - 29/06/2010 05:49:54 AM 652 Views
you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM 447 Views
What? *NM* - 28/06/2010 10:49:47 PM 391 Views
And you've only realized that now? - 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM 653 Views
read my posts carefully - 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM 656 Views
... - 28/06/2010 11:49:07 PM 729 Views
Okay, let's do that - 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM 725 Views
Don't suppose you checked her posts for spoilers, did you? - 29/06/2010 07:22:13 AM 714 Views
Yes, nothing - 29/06/2010 08:20:33 AM 757 Views
*laughs helplessly* - 01/07/2010 09:21:48 AM 768 Views
I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM 753 Views
Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones - 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM 672 Views
i confessed to being the beast *NM* - 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM 440 Views
Well, that... doesn't sound smart. - 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM 766 Views
I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched. - 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM 734 Views
I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM 453 Views
Actually I'm betting on a Buffy claim right now *NM* - 29/06/2010 06:44:54 PM 431 Views
I say we don't lynch - 29/06/2010 07:11:50 PM 739 Views
We should probably just wait for her claim *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:18:13 PM 429 Views
Oh, come on - 29/06/2010 04:50:09 PM 674 Views
Yep, now is probably a good time to Role Claim. *NM* - 29/06/2010 09:01:01 PM 442 Views
I think a few people might have intially thought that - 29/06/2010 10:25:06 PM 729 Views
Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM 676 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM 784 Views
Re: Sorry. I've been so busy. - 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM 703 Views
Then please repeat it for me. - 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM 661 Views
I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM 703 Views
Re: I always thought it was - 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM 685 Views
Yes, that makes more sense. - 30/06/2010 04:14:50 AM 704 Views
That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext... - 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM 646 Views
It still worked out pretty well, as I recall. - 30/06/2010 04:30:18 AM 630 Views
I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill - 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM 666 Views
Because it isn't like a lynch at all. - 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM 685 Views
There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:12:37 AM 685 Views
Re: There's a second half to that too - 30/06/2010 07:21:09 PM 714 Views
the quiet ones... - 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM 706 Views
Some advice - 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM 647 Views
You're probably right... - 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM 684 Views
This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon. - 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM 721 Views
Always a good thing. *NM* - 03/07/2010 04:38:34 AM 340 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 02/07/2010 08:21:48 AM 663 Views
Re: the quiet ones... - 03/07/2010 04:39:26 AM 655 Views
Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM 432 Views
Yes? *NM* - 29/06/2010 07:40:11 PM 293 Views
So, Yuna. What's your game? - 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM 713 Views
If she's a vig, I'll be slightly disappointed - 30/06/2010 04:37:10 AM 688 Views
*laughs* - 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM 695 Views
I don't know what kind of game you're playing. - 30/06/2010 01:11:02 PM 702 Views
Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy - 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM 712 Views
Let me just say this: If she is a Jester... - 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM 663 Views
I agree - 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM 651 Views
It seems win-win either way - 30/06/2010 06:29:41 PM 693 Views
Screw the Jesters. - 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM 743 Views
It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them - 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM 736 Views
Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims - 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM 739 Views
I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM 699 Views
Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess - 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM 733 Views
Jester's are awful. They ruin the game. - 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM 740 Views
That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM 399 Views
I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts . *NM* - 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM 288 Views
I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to. - 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM 693 Views
Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM 380 Views
Hah! Awesome *NM* - 02/07/2010 04:14:33 AM 395 Views
*giggle* *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:43:25 AM 396 Views
unfortunatly im RBIRL - 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM 650 Views
See? It's stuff like this - 01/07/2010 04:10:41 PM 624 Views
It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so - 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM 683 Views
EBWOP: and also Artsapat! - 01/07/2010 04:57:39 PM 690 Views
I'm still here. Unfortunately... - 02/07/2010 08:30:01 AM 599 Views
It's Canada Day today! - 01/07/2010 05:44:52 PM 684 Views
any excuse for a party! *NM* - 01/07/2010 09:12:30 PM 422 Views
Testing... (Table) - 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM 838 Views
Huzzah! - 01/07/2010 05:20:04 PM 657 Views
Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM 689 Views
No, guess not. - 01/07/2010 05:27:58 PM 703 Views
Re: Anyone can do that? - 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM 709 Views
Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:36:28 PM 756 Views
Re: Why can you do that? - 01/07/2010 05:42:37 PM 688 Views
hmm - 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM 712 Views
Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM 698 Views
Re: Oh, you have to get a membership - 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM 821 Views
I am SO cheap. - 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM 612 Views
I donated to the site - 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM 666 Views
There, there. - 02/07/2010 08:39:06 PM 677 Views
This allows you to instantly defeat any moral Anakin. - 02/07/2010 09:16:13 PM 580 Views
Ah, OK - 01/07/2010 06:04:11 PM 697 Views
No luck with page anchors - 01/07/2010 06:23:44 PM 694 Views
And yeah, I will quit screwing around with it in the game - 01/07/2010 06:25:38 PM 725 Views
Darth_Katie has been elected Chair - 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM 688 Views
Can I unvote if I want? - 01/07/2010 06:41:02 PM 619 Views
Yeah, it was advocate that couldn't undo and redo - 01/07/2010 06:44:43 PM 767 Views
So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day? - 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM 714 Views
I think we might've already? - 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM 702 Views
I didn't miss them - 03/07/2010 08:14:15 AM 532 Views
You spelled her name wrong DK *NM* - 03/07/2010 11:53:02 AM 493 Views
I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa - 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM 763 Views
- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM 697 Views
Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling - 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM 720 Views
.....? *NM* - 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM 419 Views
Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM 677 Views
Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM 678 Views
Re: Could be the other way 'round... - 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM 729 Views
Just thinking aloud. - 03/07/2010 11:11:27 PM 685 Views
Understandable, I don't think this was a day action though - 03/07/2010 11:40:00 PM 641 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:27:52 PM 668 Views
Re: Someone must have blocked her vote - 03/07/2010 10:37:08 PM 899 Views
Re: - 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM 669 Views
Maybe - 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM 707 Views
Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table - 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM 701 Views
That was actually a mistake my me - 03/07/2010 08:28:43 PM 707 Views
Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense - 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM 697 Views
She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM 763 Views
Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL. - 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM 607 Views
Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM 754 Views
Re: Well, actually kill her. - 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM 641 Views
Yea! *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:12:06 AM 274 Views
Wait, we're still L-1 - 04/07/2010 01:12:55 AM 649 Views
That might do it - 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM 710 Views
Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM* - 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM 426 Views
I definitely don't want to vote her - 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM 651 Views
Agreed... - 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM 667 Views
Explain that - 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM 736 Views
*cackles wickedly* - 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM 674 Views
Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM 660 Views
Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell. - 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM 687 Views
Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM 718 Views
Exactly *NM* - 04/07/2010 03:46:00 AM 508 Views
Re: Does it really matter if she wins? - 04/07/2010 03:57:19 AM 692 Views
It means we waste a lynch though. - 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM 698 Views
You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her - 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM 646 Views
I'm not assuming that - 04/07/2010 04:40:06 PM 729 Views
Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me. - 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM 745 Views
If it's a vote steal, rather than a block... - 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM 636 Views
I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction. - 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM 647 Views
Don't know if that would work... - 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM 673 Views
We could try, at least. - 04/07/2010 03:22:17 PM 680 Views
Oh sure, I agree. - 04/07/2010 06:04:20 PM 636 Views
It's Artsapat, has to be - 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM 705 Views
I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man - 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM 661 Views
In one of my previous mafia games, I was a vote thief - 04/07/2010 04:50:18 PM 694 Views
That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM 683 Views
Re: That was my thought also, - 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM 691 Views
- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM 696 Views
Actually - 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM 688 Views
I'm fairly content with that logic - 05/07/2010 04:37:41 PM 676 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 517 Views
So, once again Artsapat hammers someone who is probably town - 05/07/2010 04:40:40 PM 615 Views
EBWOP: Something is wrong with my mouse *NM* - 05/07/2010 04:43:03 PM 412 Views
Yeah, that sounds pretty legit. - 05/07/2010 04:54:34 PM 706 Views
Kinda overlooked the RB comment, also, you need to unvote - 05/07/2010 05:06:59 PM 740 Views
My thoughts re: Yunalesca - 04/07/2010 06:30:41 PM 704 Views
And since people love answering questions - 05/07/2010 12:33:42 AM 707 Views
Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 06:39:39 PM 751 Views
Re: Yunalesca has (almost) been lynched - 05/07/2010 07:49:10 PM 708 Views

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