While I still don't think the DFs would lie about something that (from my perspective) is so trivial,
Well, to be blunt, after shepherding allied DFs in this group through many a game let me assure you that, especially on day 1, it wouldn't be so much surprising if one of them did lie about it, as it would be very surprising if one didn't. More important though than whether one would have - now an academic question obviously - is whether or not one of them would have worried one of their allies would make that mistake. DK's a pretty senior player whose been a DF more than almost any other player, so speaking as the only person whose been a DF more, it's very easy for me to imagine she might have been worried how a newer ally might respond to that, I would have been. I usually spend about half my time in game when a DF running around doing damage control and obfuscation over just such incidents.
Darth_Katie's post does give me the creeps because it's obviously trying to keep people from making continuity errors, which I agree are more likely to be made by scum, who are more likely to lie in the first place...
In her defense, while it is something a scummer would do, it is also something a player worried about outing roles would do. What bugs me is that to spot the error, someone who has played with me a lot almost certainly has to realize it was intentional, so from a townie I would have expected an accusation attached to the warning if they'd viewed it as a potential hazard to the town. This does assume that someone noticing the pitfall would also assume it was deliberate though, which is hardly a given. It would not be out of the ordinary for DK to post that message as a townie, it does have a hint of bad odor but I would point out that my reaction is as much anger at having a carefully laid trap broken as actual suspicion DK did it deliberately as a DF. Sans frustration it's more of a raised eyebrow than a Finger of Suspicion let alone an open accusation.
Could be. Roles, if they think their work would give them away, are probably the most likely to be careful about double-checking and not making that kind of mistake.
But I think it boils down to:
1. Who is more likely to make this continuity error - town or scum?
2. Whose faction does it hurt more to make this type of error - town or scum?
3. Who is more likely to worry that someone will make this type of error - town or scum?
I believe the answer to all three is scum.
btw, did you ever answer your own questions?
Yes, in the table here, first person
I meant about the 5 possible works, sorry.
RAFO Mafia 17, Day 1: Trouble in Paradise
30/05/2010 10:43:08 PM
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Miscellaneous information
30/05/2010 10:44:49 PM
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Since I have not seen anybody else do this before (and it's a great way to start a conversation)
31/05/2010 07:33:03 PM
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EBWOP: Don't know why this was not in the root, where I thought I put it
31/05/2010 07:34:09 PM
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Re: RAFO Mafia 17, Day 1: Trouble in Paradise
31/05/2010 03:08:30 AM
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I'm afraid I'm already waaay in over my head
31/05/2010 07:20:54 AM
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Don't forget the 5th element *NM*
31/05/2010 08:25:13 AM
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Okay, so, let's get this started.
31/05/2010 07:48:13 AM
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Well that depends.
31/05/2010 06:53:02 PM
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Wow, of all the people here to be unfamiliar with a character.
31/05/2010 07:43:54 PM
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I do...(for both)
31/05/2010 07:09:06 PM
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I would be willing to bet that's true.
31/05/2010 08:50:05 PM
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So are you saying the Tourists are also all... tourists?
31/05/2010 08:54:31 PM
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EBWOP
31/05/2010 08:57:51 PM
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Yes, and I recently read/watched/listened to whatever it is I'm from, too. Loved it *NM*
31/05/2010 07:29:20 PM
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No idea. *NM*
31/05/2010 10:28:53 PM
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Yes to both. *NM*
01/06/2010 12:54:55 AM
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Wait, scratch that. I don't have a place of origin. *NM*
01/06/2010 03:06:49 AM
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I didn't think he meant place but rather the work that you're from *NM*
01/06/2010 03:20:59 AM
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If there is an Oompa Loompa song whenever someone dies, I will die happy *NM*
31/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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+1
31/05/2010 08:35:28 PM
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+1 to that song. *NM*
31/05/2010 08:46:39 PM
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Since I tried to start a conversation, but failed (because I posted in the wrong place?)
01/06/2010 07:25:29 AM
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ummm, dear?
01/06/2010 10:49:54 AM
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^^^Attention-seeker = Jester^^^
01/06/2010 11:07:44 PM
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Some first thoughts
01/06/2010 10:27:38 PM
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Current Info (Table)
01/06/2010 10:40:41 PM
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No and yes.
02/06/2010 02:23:49 AM
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Random stone throwing super dick vote
02/06/2010 08:00:57 PM
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Just do your best on answers, the questions are deliberately vague
02/06/2010 12:43:25 AM
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OK, so we all know who we are. Now what?
02/06/2010 05:12:38 PM
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We seem to have two random votes already
02/06/2010 06:06:29 PM
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What do y'all think?
03/06/2010 12:36:23 AM
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I won't be participating in that.
03/06/2010 01:06:26 AM
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That's pretty legit.
03/06/2010 02:05:50 AM
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We could talk about Napoleon62 and Isaac voting each other for no reason *NM*
03/06/2010 02:43:03 AM
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You think there are ulterior motives?
03/06/2010 03:07:28 AM
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Fair enough. Good reason not to.
03/06/2010 03:45:35 AM
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I actually think it's a decent idea, just needs a modification
03/06/2010 04:33:47 AM
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I remember that.
03/06/2010 06:10:33 AM
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Okay, so next 'question'
03/06/2010 07:57:08 AM
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Ranagrande really seemed to make an effort to go out of his way here.
03/06/2010 01:31:03 PM
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But if you're from something really weird
03/06/2010 05:54:37 PM
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You don't even need to pick a bunch of weird things
03/06/2010 08:23:19 PM
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Is one of those two sets of 5 your answer to your 5 worlds question?
06/06/2010 10:03:52 PM
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IMPORTANT POINT
04/06/2010 05:04:18 AM
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Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:30:05 AM
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Re: Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:37:25 AM
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Re: Who, exactly, is this warning intended for?
04/06/2010 05:49:00 AM
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It is an interesting theory, though
04/06/2010 07:37:30 AM
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Re: It is an interesting theory, though
04/06/2010 08:41:16 AM
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Re: It is an interesting theory, though
04/06/2010 03:41:43 PM
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I was assuming she meant it the same way we warn hypocoppers
04/06/2010 03:51:06 PM
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jargon question.
04/06/2010 06:19:51 PM
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Sorry I screwed up your fancy plans.
04/06/2010 08:05:18 PM
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I must be really tired.
05/06/2010 02:52:32 AM
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Honestly, anyone trying to lynch based solely on series
05/06/2010 04:00:13 AM
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Out of curiosity, what did he say?
05/06/2010 06:47:43 AM
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He said he was programmed.
05/06/2010 08:22:45 AM
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But... wasn't that the robot game, where we were all programmed?
05/06/2010 07:37:03 PM
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Actually, my own RM didn't mention robots at all, so odds are neither did DK's
05/06/2010 09:00:52 PM
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Can we agree on revealing gender? *NM*
04/06/2010 06:20:29 PM
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Will that really help us tell who is mafia and who is not?
04/06/2010 06:39:07 PM
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Will listing off five random worlds?
05/06/2010 04:09:55 AM
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Re: Will listing off five random worlds?
06/06/2010 10:11:18 PM
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btw, what happened to the Chair election?
04/06/2010 10:46:41 PM
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I'm relatively content to give it to anyone who doesn't have day 1 lynch jitters
05/06/2010 12:12:19 AM
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OK, since I'm apparently Chair (including a Table) *updated Jun 9th*
06/06/2010 07:43:10 PM
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Male. . . .again. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:37:52 AM
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Napoleon's going to have a hard time
07/06/2010 09:10:21 AM
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Let's not. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:06:58 PM
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I'll call you Smurfette anyway. You know, just because I can. *NM*
07/06/2010 08:29:35 PM
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Settings (Table)
07/06/2010 12:47:35 AM
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Uh
07/06/2010 02:13:40 AM
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Can someone explain for the slow kids?
08/06/2010 06:59:47 AM
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Short answer: click the little links at the right side of the page
08/06/2010 10:56:37 PM
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Anyone else get the feeling we have some "nontraditional" settings?
08/06/2010 12:04:23 AM
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Didn't I suggest that from the beginning? *NM*
08/06/2010 03:08:36 AM
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I must say that it makes me uncomfortable
08/06/2010 07:40:00 AM
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Just went back: ranagrande told me knowing settings is not vital to playing. A slight relief. *NM*
08/06/2010 07:49:10 AM
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Two new thoughts
08/06/2010 07:48:24 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 12:02:01 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 04:31:06 AM
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Re: Two new thoughts
09/06/2010 04:57:02 AM
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In which I spoil everyone's identity! (Well, maybe not)
09/06/2010 07:34:08 AM
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Whoops, replied to the wrong spot... ignore this one, look below! *NM*
09/06/2010 07:35:40 AM
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In which I spoil everyone's identity! (Well, maybe not)
09/06/2010 07:35:10 AM
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Not sure about the Talic vote, but
09/06/2010 10:35:25 AM
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Agree
09/06/2010 12:24:47 PM
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Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 06:10:34 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 06:26:08 PM
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Re: Yeah, I'll be participating even less than before.
09/06/2010 08:53:53 PM
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Maybe you should explain why you think a 'No Lynch' on Day 1 is always bad
10/06/2010 02:05:16 AM
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Do we have any reason to believe that the scum are not a single united faction? *NM*
10/06/2010 02:23:11 AM
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I'd say so, it's indicated in the intro text and it's been normal of late
10/06/2010 02:35:26 AM
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Because it is always bad. Seems like the ideal reason.
10/06/2010 04:21:10 AM
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Good points.
10/06/2010 04:45:24 AM
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Re: Because it is always bad. Seems like the ideal reason.
10/06/2010 05:03:15 AM
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We might randomly lynch (or try to lynch) someone who is part of a faction
10/06/2010 06:37:48 AM
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I don't believe in completely random lynches.
10/06/2010 04:35:42 PM
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I feel like random lynches are a really good place for scum to hide.
10/06/2010 06:19:22 PM
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'Seems' isn't 'Is', a dead townie is a dead townie
10/06/2010 05:57:19 AM
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Which is pretty much the point.
10/06/2010 05:39:36 PM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
10/06/2010 06:31:40 PM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
11/06/2010 01:56:41 AM
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Re: Which is pretty much the point.
11/06/2010 12:58:25 AM
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Incidentally, how likely do you think it is that I am a Darkfriend?
11/06/2010 01:34:55 AM
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Probably less than random with some caveats, over all, roughly random
11/06/2010 02:21:24 AM
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Re: Probably less than random with some caveats, over all, roughly random
11/06/2010 02:40:33 AM
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I suppose we're back to DefCon 5
11/06/2010 03:36:12 AM
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Hmm... I did forget the "main character" thing. Regardless, Talic is Captain Morgan
09/06/2010 11:25:03 PM
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So sorry guys
10/06/2010 06:31:49 AM
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No problem
10/06/2010 04:17:27 PM
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Any chance we can get Gher to replace in?
10/06/2010 07:30:04 PM
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An addition to my Talic accusation
10/06/2010 08:48:14 AM
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Duffman wouldn't be awesome?
10/06/2010 10:31:30 AM
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Oh come on.
10/06/2010 05:56:54 PM
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I maintain it made sense
11/06/2010 02:55:39 AM
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Combined Info (Table)
11/06/2010 04:33:01 AM
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The All-Seeing Eye of Sauron is upon you... let the brutal analysis begin
11/06/2010 05:16:27 AM
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Hmm ... I think I am working from a different definition of Modern Real Earth.
11/06/2010 06:37:04 AM
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Re: Hmm ... I think I am working from a different definition of Modern Real Earth.
11/06/2010 12:50:16 PM
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Re: The All-Seeing Eye of Sauron is upon you... let the brutal analysis begin
12/06/2010 03:33:37 PM
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RBIRL for another effing week.
13/06/2010 01:55:52 AM
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I am forced to assume
13/06/2010 02:46:47 PM
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I'm not busy at all! Let's murder someone!
13/06/2010 04:06:04 AM
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Re: I'm not busy at all! Let's murder someone!
13/06/2010 02:16:40 PM
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Good point.
13/06/2010 06:20:55 PM
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Before I basically disappear from this thread for about a week...
13/06/2010 08:55:03 PM
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Re: Before I basically disappear from this thread for about a week...
14/06/2010 02:35:18 AM
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Okay, pushing forward
14/06/2010 04:29:20 PM
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Pledge: No; CON: Sure
15/06/2010 12:31:57 AM
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So...
15/06/2010 01:04:11 AM
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If you will allow me to be pedantic.
15/06/2010 01:24:07 AM
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Ok, I just want to say I'm sorry for not posting as much as I normally do
15/06/2010 02:52:31 AM
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Okay, now you're just pushing for a No-Lynch in different terms.
15/06/2010 04:49:26 AM
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<coughs> Not trying to imply you didn't actually read the post here, but...
15/06/2010 07:35:44 AM
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Also...
15/06/2010 03:12:18 PM
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BA has a point- townies ALREADY have an incentive to ask questions. Why reward DFs?
15/06/2010 07:56:04 AM
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Seeing hwo you're trying to protect me from getting Lynched
15/06/2010 12:40:27 PM
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Well, the lengthy posts are for clarity, apparently I wasn't lengthy enough.
15/06/2010 05:05:22 PM
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Every vanilla is supposed to say yes.
15/06/2010 06:13:08 PM
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Which of course brings about the real problem, which is the opposite of what you say.
15/06/2010 06:26:42 PM
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Let me hold off on answering this, if you don't mind
15/06/2010 07:14:25 PM
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Fine, I'm not in a hurry. *NM*
15/06/2010 07:17:10 PM
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Let me run another possible question by you
15/06/2010 08:18:33 PM
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By the way, this is sort of a revision of white flame's question
15/06/2010 08:21:32 PM
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At first glance, I don't see any problem with it.
15/06/2010 09:31:44 PM
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to get the game moving
15/06/2010 08:53:38 PM
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go on... *NM*
15/06/2010 09:38:13 PM
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its day one, do i realy need a reason? *NM*
15/06/2010 09:56:59 PM
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It is customary *NM*
15/06/2010 10:01:25 PM
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well...
15/06/2010 11:04:29 PM
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Next Question
15/06/2010 09:56:10 PM
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Strong Yes
16/06/2010 06:38:53 AM
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Didn't you already say you were a manly man?
16/06/2010 12:52:57 PM
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Who isn't answering questions (Table)
17/06/2010 03:13:58 PM
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One of my answers
18/06/2010 12:50:15 PM
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It won't be too much longer
18/06/2010 05:25:36 PM
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All right, let's do this, I have two people to accuse
19/06/2010 08:36:14 PM
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why just FOS?
19/06/2010 09:48:25 PM
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I can't vote for two people at once
19/06/2010 10:12:10 PM
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Honestly, I'm in standby at this point.
20/06/2010 09:31:42 AM
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Just for you Beet, a non-acronym version
20/06/2010 05:13:07 PM
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Re: All right, let's do this, I have two people to accuse
20/06/2010 01:29:43 PM
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I'll reply to this in bits, but first:
20/06/2010 06:09:26 PM
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Re: I'll reply to this in bits, but first:
20/06/2010 06:44:33 PM
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Let me extend you an offer
20/06/2010 08:24:11 PM
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A typo-less message implies I'm distracted? How?
21/06/2010 04:41:17 AM
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No, you said you were distracted, I said the message looks like you want people to think so
21/06/2010 04:52:36 AM
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I thought I did address the accusation.
21/06/2010 05:06:41 AM
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See, and I know you're gonna think that was an intentional typo to prove a point. It wasn't, honest
21/06/2010 05:09:05 AM
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I'm not really interested in typos one way or another
21/06/2010 05:16:19 AM
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I'm a Barbie girl, in a Barbie world.
21/06/2010 05:27:27 AM
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And now I'm gonna sleep. I'll get to your questions in the morning.
21/06/2010 05:29:08 AM
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Aqua aside, why did you answer UNC for MRE and MCS?
21/06/2010 05:35:31 AM
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Re: Aqua aside, why did you answer UNC for MRE and MCS?
21/06/2010 02:59:05 PM
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I think UNC is consistent for MRE for Barbie
21/06/2010 06:51:13 PM
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For the record, I did eventually change my consistency to a yes.
21/06/2010 07:17:09 PM
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Possible, and MCS?
21/06/2010 07:21:29 PM
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Yeah, that's also sketchy.
21/06/2010 07:28:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, that's also sketchy.
21/06/2010 08:03:27 PM
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Kronin's Barbie, but claimed he wasn't a major character? Vote: Kronin
21/06/2010 11:39:34 PM
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I'd like a roleclaim.
22/06/2010 12:48:13 AM
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Honestly, looking back, consistency should've been a yes.
22/06/2010 01:21:16 AM
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Each day you can be a different role? That's kind of awesome *NM*
22/06/2010 07:22:35 AM
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Well, I knew it would come down to this, as soon as you pointed a finger to me.
21/06/2010 08:02:42 AM
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Wow, so I suppose these questions can be used in a town friendly way
20/06/2010 02:06:15 PM
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Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 01:25:27 AM
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"You lie you die" is sound policy not only Day 1, but every Day.
22/06/2010 01:40:46 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 01:43:07 AM
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I suppose I'll join in
22/06/2010 01:45:48 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 04:15:44 AM
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Re: Ok, let's avoid the horizontal scroll
22/06/2010 04:31:27 AM
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My answers to the 2 questions asked...
20/06/2010 05:31:22 PM
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Kronin al'Sulc has been lynched
22/06/2010 01:44:22 PM
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