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Hm. It doesn't seem like we disagree that much on the 'true partnerships' then. Legolas Send a noteboard - 10/12/2024 07:52:39 PM

View original postThat’s just a rundown of simple mercantilism and the unpleasant byproducts of China’s insistent pursuit of extreme self-interest. It totally ignores the ever-increasing political and security problems the CCP presents to America and others. Reshoring and friendshoring are topics on which I’ll pass for now. The US goal should focus on how to reduce our contributions to bolstering the Chinese economic, industrial, and tax bases.

I guess I do see things mostly from an economic perspective, yes. Even on the biggest military issue of all, Taiwan, I get the impression that China is deterred from invading as much or more by the extreme economic damage to the entire world but most of all to themselves which would result from an invasion, than by the actual military deterrence of the US and Taiwan itself.

Regarding the US goal, that makes more sense than what Trump's goal seems to be and certainly that requires a more multilateral approach, as otherwise the US contributions would just be replaced by those from other countries.


View original postI think you’re wrong. From BRICS to the BRI to FOCAC to the Global South and yes, even CPEC, the CCP is in the process of building a China-led alliance of sorts. It’s inchoate at this point, but a rough outline is discernible enough.

Oh absolutely, they're investing all over the place and making many governments indebted to them, but as I said, those are purely transactional relationships without much interest in the partner country's interests. The US and EU aren't exactly angels in their relationships with developing countries either, but they're a lot more accommodating than China.
View original postNow, as to Pakistan, I’d argue China is getting exactly what it wants. It cares, just not in the way you seem to think it should. The CCP has access to the Indian Ocean at Gwadar, complete with rail lines to China. They’ve secured lots of infrastructure projects to keep Chinese workers busy and to soak up excess industrial capacity back home. They also have an indebted and therefore reasonably compliant Pakistani government to help them out at the UN or distract India should the need arise. Also, China doesn’t really do “true partnerships”. They are too rigidly hierarchical. Throw in Han chauvinism and the collective hubris that infected the CCP after the 2007-2008 financial crisis and you’ll get a sense of a people who often think they have no equals.

It cares about Chinese interests, not about Pakistani ones, that's what I said. Nor does it care much about making itself popular among Pakistani citizens. In recent years, people in developing countries have sometimes been talking about how China is willing to invest in their countries without the patronizing attitude of the West, or simply more cheaply than the West - but once those investments have been done and they've spent some time watching how the debts for them cripple their government and China doesn't show the least bit of mercy, that attitude sours quickly. And I do think that things like that would also make a difference if it ever came to military conflict between the US and China and countries had to choose sides.

So if China is really trying to build an alliance, they're really going to need to change their attitude and start working on making friends, rather than just making countries indebted to them. After all, if war breaks out and your would-be allies are mostly tied to you for no better reason than because they owe you money, it gives them all the more reason to defect to the other side and try to get out of repaying the debts...

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