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I don't agree with that - it would've been a serious issue still. Legolas Send a noteboard - 03/12/2024 05:56:18 PM

View original post"It is an act of hypocrisy. Asked in June about a pardon for Hunter, the president replied: “I said I’d abide by the jury decision, and I will do that. And I will not pardon him.” This was not a slip. Mr Biden has said the same thing several times. The pardon exposes him as the sort of politician who says one thing and does another. Yet if the harm were just to Mr Biden’s reputation it might be contained. Other presidents have pardoned people close to them: Jimmy Carter pardoned his brother, Bill Clinton his half-brother, Donald Trump his daughter’s father-in-law (and just appointed him ambassador to France). Voters have moved on, and Mr Biden will be a private citizen on January 21st.

It's worse by far than what most other presidents have done though - many of the more nepotist pardons in the past were for people who'd already served time, in some cases several years before, or for people who had crossed the line in their attempts to best serve the president himself. Giving Hunter such a sweeping pardon, not only for crimes he's already been tried for but also anything else he might have done in a ten year period, is on an entirely different level. I saw experts commenting that the only real precedent is Ford's pardon for Nixon - which was rightly very controversial at the time as well, but there at least Ford could argue, whether one accepts the argument or not, that he did it for the good of the country to avoid further polarization from Nixon being tried for his actions.

Spinning Biden's pardon for Hunter as good for the country, or for anyone other than the Biden family, is a lot harder, though. Yes, Trump and his cronies, including the nutcase he wants to go lead the FBI, have made no secret of their plans to use and abuse whatever power they can get their hands on to prosecute Hunter Biden, as well as various other nasty plans. But on the other hand, it's clear to everyone that Hunter did commit crimes, not to mention his long career of possibly legal but still extremely dubious attempts to earn money based purely on his family connections, so those fears for what was likely to happen in the future weren't sufficient to justify such a sweeping pardon covering everything including the existing prosecution under the authority of a Democratic-led DoJ.

View original postUnfortunately, hypocrisy may be the least damaging thing about the pardon. Mr Biden’s refusal to interfere in the Department of Justice’s (DoJ) investigation into his son was cited by some Democrats as evidence their party was different. Unlike MAGA Republicans, whose respect for the rule of law and norms like DoJ independence was selective, their party acted on principle. That argument has been exposed as meaningless, and at a particularly bad time for the high-minded principles Mr Biden once claimed as his own."

Indeed. Plenty of Democrats are making clear that they don't agree with this and Biden's action shouldn't be considered as representative of their party - but the fallout will obviously affect far more people than just himself.
View original postAnd then this part


View original post“The charges...came about only after several of my political opponents in Congress instigated them to attack me and oppose my election,” Mr Biden wrote in the preamble to the pardon. Sound familiar? The prosecution may indeed have been selective and flimsy, but it was conducted by an independent special counsel in front of an independent judge, and won a conviction from an independent jury.

View original postThe pardon thereby confirms the cynicism many Americans feel about their politicians and institutions. In his speech to the Democratic National Convention, Barack Obama warned Americans that Republicans will “tell you that government is corrupt; that sacrifice and generosity are for suckers; and that since the game is rigged, it’s OK to take what you want and look after your own.” What is this pardon, if not the president looking after his own? Mr Biden applies one set of rules to himself and his family members, and another to the people he serves. At least Mr Trump makes no secret of what he is."

Sadly true.

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No Fucks Left to Give Joe tosses Hunter a blanket pardon - 02/12/2024 09:23:33 PM 299 Views
I think if he hadn't said he wouldn't pardon his son, then this would be a non-issue. - 03/12/2024 12:53:15 PM 41 Views
I don't agree with that - it would've been a serious issue still. - 03/12/2024 05:56:18 PM 47 Views
How about this? - 04/12/2024 03:43:52 AM 42 Views
Fully agree. *NM* - 04/12/2024 06:40:15 AM 10 Views
Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 07:18:56 AM 41 Views
Re: Trump was already going to pardon all the J6 defendants, though. - 04/12/2024 02:07:41 PM 38 Views
Ugh, I hate this 'they're all the same' rhetoric. - 04/12/2024 09:22:38 PM 34 Views
I respectfully disagree. - 04/12/2024 11:09:07 PM 36 Views
Seems like we're kind of talking past each other here. - 05/12/2024 11:39:02 PM 31 Views
Trump had quite a few successes in his first term - 06/12/2024 02:45:32 PM 35 Views
You mean his administration and Congress had those successes. - 06/12/2024 10:12:25 PM 45 Views
No, I mean him. *NM* - 07/12/2024 12:38:27 AM 11 Views
Okay, then I guess we're not debating it, as you like. *NM* - 07/12/2024 08:54:03 AM 13 Views
The achievements of the administration are attributed to the President. - 08/12/2024 10:50:43 AM 34 Views
Some people also think the earth is flat. - 08/12/2024 06:29:37 PM 31 Views
Le sigh - 08/12/2024 09:03:01 PM 32 Views
Make up your mind already. - 08/12/2024 10:30:11 PM 30 Views
I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 02:56:02 PM 43 Views
Re: I mostly agree, with one giant caveat - 05/12/2024 03:49:00 PM 40 Views
I take a bit of umbrage at that assignment personally - 06/12/2024 12:37:40 AM 38 Views
We've been over this - some of this is true, some is, at a minimum, not proven that I ever saw. - 05/12/2024 11:18:24 PM 36 Views
I know it was factually true - 06/12/2024 12:46:44 AM 41 Views
Sounds like you need to become a whistleblower and go talk to the FBI yourself, then? - 06/12/2024 11:37:00 AM 36 Views
Typically, whistle blower and attorney client privilege are not viewed as compatible. - 06/12/2024 03:57:12 PM 37 Views
I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 05:01:07 PM 39 Views
Re: I have a clearance - 06/12/2024 08:08:50 PM 41 Views
Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 07/12/2024 09:31:10 PM 39 Views
Re: Secret evidence doesn't have to be believed - 08/12/2024 03:46:54 PM 33 Views
Seriously? - 06/12/2024 10:28:07 PM 35 Views
Re: Seriously? - 06/12/2024 11:33:59 PM 34 Views
Did you even read that earlier post? - 07/12/2024 08:53:15 AM 37 Views
I can't believe I'm siding with Tom here - 07/12/2024 01:50:15 AM 36 Views
I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 07:46:01 PM 33 Views
Re: I guess you kinda have to with your profession. - 07/12/2024 08:07:28 PM 38 Views
See my other reply above then. *NM* - 07/12/2024 09:43:37 PM 12 Views
You're CLEARLY a Harris plant - 06/12/2024 01:07:07 AM 38 Views
Hah, you got me! - 06/12/2024 11:49:19 AM 35 Views
I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:24:44 AM 38 Views
Re: I'd be hesitant to link Biden with the Democrats anymore - 06/12/2024 01:47:08 AM 34 Views

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