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Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn Send a noteboard - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM

Lots of chromosomal anomalies exist: XXY, XXX, XYY, XXYY. And then there are people whose chromosomal sex is not consistent with their phenotypic sex, i.e., karyotypically female but phenotypically male.

Indeed, and those with chromosomal abnormalities should be treated as exactly what they are; an individual, entitled to all the rights and respect as any other person.

Don't mistake my disbelief and disdain for "transgenderism" for disbelief or disdain of actual genetic abnormalities.



I’m largely indifferent to this whole subject because it’s just plain alien to me. What I didn’t see in the discussion was anything on endocrinology and what role it might play in gender dysphoria, if any. I know xenoestrogen is causing girls to hit puberty at a younger age, and it can give boys boobs. So we know it affects the body. Could that lead to somatopsychic — and I do mean somatopsychic, not psychosomatic— changes/conditions? I guess I’m inclined to think that a scientific reason or answer is out there, or at least a possibility.

I'm no endocrinologist so I can't comment on it.

I do agree with you, however; we know that many things in the modern world adversely affect human development. I would not at all be surprised to find out that something we're doing is causing people to "become" "transgender".

I mean, the water is turning the frogs gay, so it's not like anything is really outside the realm of possibility, here.

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I'm curious as to your point in posting this. damookster - 04/08/2023 03:17:48 AM 1081 Views
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Yes. They do that now, too. Except it's the Chinese. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:51:37 PM 416 Views
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You aren't mentally ill because of your views. You're just an asshole. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:35:13 PM 868 Views
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See, you're willing to discuss, instead of insult. Others on this board might take note. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:18:39 PM 878 Views
Yeah, well, I have the luxury of an outsider's position... Legolas - 23/08/2023 11:47:24 PM 900 Views
Nobody is an outsider when reality is being attacked. TyrReborn - 25/08/2023 05:40:43 PM 828 Views
Fun facts Vodalus - 26/08/2023 06:22:57 AM 949 Views
There's some evidence that hormonal changes in utero are related to transgenderism. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/08/2023 11:26:21 PM 432 Views
Naturally occurring or iatrogenic? *NM* Vodalus - 26/08/2023 11:37:06 PM 430 Views
The studies are about naturally occuring variance, but that doesn't rule out other causes. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:03:16 AM 518 Views
Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM 868 Views
Imagine if you had the same attitude towards trans people. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:02:34 AM 834 Views
I may be no endocrinologist, but I at least understand simple biology. XY =/= XX =/= XXY TyrReborn - 28/08/2023 05:40:14 PM 807 Views
One can be an adult trans person and not support mutilation of children. *NM* damookster - 28/08/2023 07:49:32 PM 415 Views
Fair enough. I have some measure of respect for "Caitlyn" Jenner. You do you homie. *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:54:13 AM 403 Views
Simple is definitely true. Shame you never learned biology past what you were taught in high school. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 11:21:38 PM 825 Views
Right, cause we're "butterflies" TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:57:20 AM 836 Views
I go to mass more than you. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2023 09:58:09 AM 420 Views
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I must say, The Shrike - 31/08/2023 07:04:47 PM 1120 Views
Love is being true. Love is being honest. Love is God. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:52:59 PM 854 Views
I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you. I think very highly of you, too. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:44:58 AM 513 Views
Really went off the deep end there huh... Legolas - 31/08/2023 10:39:02 PM 844 Views
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It's ok. Many of us are quite sad for you too. The Shrike - 29/08/2023 11:10:32 AM 869 Views
I couldn't care less what unbelievers think. You'll meet the Truth, one day. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:45:31 PM 814 Views
No such thing as damnation, but thanks. The Shrike - 31/08/2023 06:55:23 PM 852 Views
Then nothing more needs to be said. See who support your lies, Ghav? They literally deny Love. *NM* TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:54:23 PM 514 Views
He understands love a lot better than you do. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:46:14 AM 415 Views
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Of course I'm Christian. I confess the faith of the apostles and of the councils. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 11:41:56 AM 843 Views
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It is not, and I am not. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:06:48 PM 849 Views
You absolutely are damookster - 03/09/2023 09:27:00 PM 852 Views
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Bro, I'm not worried about your immortal soul. damookster - 03/09/2023 11:35:41 PM 862 Views
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You’ve expressed some pretty odious and ugly sentiments. Vodalus - 03/09/2023 10:07:51 PM 833 Views
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Ok. TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM 843 Views
Schizophrenics suffer violent crime at 14x rate. Is America "schizophobic"? TyrReborn - 01/09/2023 05:01:18 PM 844 Views
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What's your stance on parents who refuse medical treatment for their children with cancer? Ghavrel - 11/08/2023 11:12:21 PM 871 Views
I think... entyti - 11/08/2023 11:37:52 PM 869 Views
Really? damookster - 12/08/2023 12:02:12 AM 867 Views
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Maybe not damookster - 12/08/2023 03:38:50 PM 886 Views
Most of us don't really like "the gays," either. And referring to people as "blacks" is offensive. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:34:32 AM 408 Views
... is referring to people as "whites" offensive? I really, really hope you say yes. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:46:07 PM 474 Views
Unfortunately for whites, gays, blacks, and transgenders... entyti - 14/08/2023 06:09:47 PM 821 Views
Their voice only counts *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:20:32 PM 410 Views
Touché *NM* entyti - 14/08/2023 07:12:54 PM 394 Views
You can always choose not to be a dick online. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:19:52 PM 385 Views
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You're not a dick. You're honest. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:54:34 PM 831 Views
Why not both? entyti - 15/08/2023 03:01:58 AM 987 Views
Sad, but true. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:22:11 PM 851 Views
Re: I think... Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:35:05 AM 847 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 12/08/2023 03:49:47 PM 888 Views
Re: I'll chew... entyti - 14/08/2023 10:56:15 PM 836 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 15/08/2023 11:32:12 PM 893 Views
3 weeks later, did you have fun with this thread Tyr? *NM* Roland00 - 28/08/2023 08:16:13 PM 499 Views
We went a bit afield, sure, but hey, the board has a discussion going, doesn't it? *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:00:03 AM 387 Views
Well take care Roland00 - 31/08/2023 11:06:43 PM 1085 Views
Same to you. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:20:19 AM 842 Views
Seeing things as beautiful or rotting Roland00 - 03/09/2023 05:21:50 PM 857 Views
I could not disagree more. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:13:31 PM 869 Views
See this is about you Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:22:53 PM 841 Views
No, it's about God. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:28:55 PM 849 Views
How much history do you know about Samaritans? Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:39:54 PM 820 Views
Friend, you can cut the shit. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:19:56 AM 950 Views
I was going to talk about Mount Gerizim you nitwit Roland00 - 04/09/2023 01:36:16 AM 863 Views
Oh, my apologies then. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 07:46:57 PM 867 Views
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