View original postWell, as I said, they seem to share a root of being a type of body dysmorphia. Perhaps you disagree, and that's fine. I don't claim this as known fact, but simply an association that I (and others) am making. Though I doubt there is enough evidence to say one way or the other, and we'll have to agree to disagree. Welcome to complex systems
View original postYou stated that one is rational enough. I'd ask that you say more on that, as I don't understand where the distinction is. I assume you are referring to transgender individuals? Can I assume you are basing this on the distinction between sex and gender, with gender being socially inculcated behavioral tendencies?
I'm going to ask you to read my reply to Tyr for more detail on that, but basically, desiring the amputation of e.g. your hand is completely irrational - it would leave you worse off without any gain that would make sense to anyone else. Desiring to belong to another gender than the one you were born with, or assigned at birth, is a rational enough desire. In the past, it was an impossible desire, or at least all one could really do was to transition socially without any hormone treatment or surgery, but nowadays medical science allows it, though still imperfectly and at a cost, so it makes sense for it to be on the table.
View original postI am glad to hear you say this. And I completely agree with you in theory. Unfortunately, people have been fired, children pulled into communist style struggle sessions, for expressing views similar to mine. And there's no doubt that similar atrocities are committed the other way as well.
View original postRegardless, it is not so clean-cut as "you have your opinions and I have mine, and yet we'll live together and do just fine." I wish it were...
True, it has become a big culture war issue.
View original postChesterton's Fence is a thought experiment highlighting the importance of reflecting on what is already in place before making changes. And there are a couple of Chesterton's Fences to consider with this issue.
View original postThe second fence relates the view that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, which has been the common view up until recently. Society removing this "fence" for the view that it is normal opens up a floodgate of issues, with which we are only seeing the beginnings of; some examples of this are the division of mens and womens sports, which bathrooms are acceptable to use, and whether gender-affirming care is appropriate for underage people.
I discussed some of this above as well - you can call gender dysphoria a mental disorder in some ways, but with the key difference that it's a disorder which can be resolved very simply (simply, as opposed to easily), by giving the patients what they're asking for, and as discussed above the thing they're asking for is rational enough, unlike the BIID.
None of the issues that you refer to here and in the next paragraph are so big as to make one reconsider providing gender-affirming care at all. And the controversies surrounding them would be a lot less vehement if those issues were debated purely on their own merits, without gender-affirming care as a whole being put into question every time.
For instance, in the case of teenagers with gender dysphoria who disagree with their parents on the course to pursue, or who push doctors to go faster/further than the doctors are comfortable with, both the teenagers themselves and trans activists viewing their cases from the outside may seem a bit paranoid and always assume that anyone who seems unconvinced or wants to slow things down is a closet transphobe who doesn't think gender-affirming care should be allowed for anyone - because they've seen so many times that this was the case, and because many of the people talking the loudest on the topic do in fact have that position. But still they're also wrong in many cases, and that in turn also alienates people who aren't actually against gender-affirming care in general but do have understandable concerns about the extreme increase in the numbers of trans teenagers in recent years and about what that suggests about the role of social influence as opposed to innate desires.
View original postAnd the implications gain in intensity with time. Will insurance companies be forced to accept gender-affirming care as covered medical procedures? Are parents of a child with gender dysphoria who refuse to pursue gender-affirming care committing abuse and lose the right to their children?
View original postAll of this is sitting on a house of cards of fairly shaky science and fairly loud activists, as I see it.
Fair - but as I mentioned, if the basic premise of gender-affirming care were more widely accepted, both sides could calm down about the various related controversies.
View original postExcept that we aren't being careful, by and large. Society is being inundated with these ideas, which are being transmitted in government policies, medical practices, and educational institutions. Children are being taught (in some cases) by activist teachers to come out of the closet to them, and keep secrets from their parents. Some countries and some US States allow for underage kids to seek gender-affirming care without consent from their parents. And I can certainly understand and empathize with the sentiment that traditional parents would not be on board with these radical views. But it is not very difficult to see how all of this can be exploited by bad actors, both in the medical field as well as individuals seeking validation, not to mention the swath of confused and impressionable youths who get caught up in the cultural tornado and end up with consequences their minds were too underdeveloped to comprehend.
In practice, despite the scare stories and despite what the teenagers in question might want, gender-affirming care isn't generally being rushed or provided easily to whoever shows up asking for it. But yeah, there's a big difference between parents who want to slow things down and prevent their children from rushing into a major life decision like that, or parents who oppose the whole thing on principle and are never going to approve, regardless of how long the choice is considered or what arguments their children or the doctors offer. In the second case, you won't be surprised that I'd be fine with them proceeding without parental consent that'll never come.