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Yeah, I know, I just think that the statistics are dangerous. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 09/08/2023 04:36:40 AM

Most kids aren't getting surgical interventions, and the ones that are tend to be close to suicidal. As for hormones, it's not an easy discussion. Puberty floods people full of hormones and radically changes them, and while I think there's room to discuss the balancing act we should take with regard to puberty blockers, saying "children aren't old enough to choose the possibly irreversible side effects of blockers but they are old enough to choose the definitely irreversible effects of puberty" just doesn't work for me as a blanket statement.

And I know you aren't a transphobe. <3

"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the gov't?" TyrReborn - 03/08/2023 09:02:48 PM 737 Views
I'm curious as to your point in posting this. damookster - 04/08/2023 03:17:48 AM 187 Views
The point is that these uneducated dumbass race-baiters dare to lecture us TyrReborn - 04/08/2023 05:33:36 PM 178 Views
. . . The Shrike - 05/08/2023 02:14:20 PM 179 Views
You're entitled to your optimistic view TyrReborn - 05/08/2023 04:24:33 PM 177 Views
You only think your view is realistic because you haven't studied enough history. The Shrike - 06/08/2023 04:04:34 PM 187 Views
You're entitled to your optimistic view. *NM* TyrReborn - 06/08/2023 09:18:39 PM 76 Views
Not only is this statistically incorrect, it's historically incorrect. Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:35:42 PM 162 Views
Sigh, I understand that it's hard to grasp these days, with our medical miracles, TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:52:01 PM 160 Views
Disease is counted as part of wartime casualties. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:17:53 PM 155 Views
And Covid killed 1000000 Americans lol TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:49:02 PM 150 Views
You didn't cherry pick anything. You just decided that the consensus of experts is incorrect. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:37:05 PM 148 Views
Died of =/= died from, and died during =/= killed TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 04:58:08 PM 147 Views
I don't think so Tom - 07/08/2023 01:54:05 PM 203 Views
These facts would cause you to be denounced as a "putinite fascist"... TyrReborn - 07/08/2023 05:45:05 PM 165 Views
Well, of course it's going to pass Tom - 07/08/2023 06:55:12 PM 179 Views
Tom, you are being far too reasonable. That doesn’t fly in 2023! *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 12:22:49 AM 83 Views
He is, which is why, I think, he is wrong. *NM* TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 10:18:32 PM 87 Views
I just can't buy that the political and academic class will give up their grip so easily. TyrReborn - 08/08/2023 05:49:58 PM 147 Views
Academics have been pro Marxism for over 100 years. It's nothing new. *NM* damookster - 08/08/2023 05:59:55 PM 85 Views
Maybe. But they've never been this spiteful or spoiled before. TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 01:29:30 PM 140 Views
No, they only recruited students to spy for the Soviets *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:18:58 PM 76 Views
Yes. They do that now, too. Except it's the Chinese. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:51:37 PM 75 Views
Do you have sources for that 'far more conservative and far more religious' claim? Legolas - 09/08/2023 07:35:50 PM 166 Views
In regards to more conservative, The Shrike - 09/08/2023 08:35:03 PM 176 Views
You see all this fury because a random dude on the internet calls a dude a dude TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 03:31:00 PM 146 Views
I side with Greg and Tom in this discussion. damookster - 08/08/2023 05:57:54 PM 160 Views
I don't suppose linking medical articles is going to help too much here, but... Ghavrel - 08/08/2023 11:28:05 PM 174 Views
Elizabeth, you know I have a non binary grandchild. damookster - 09/08/2023 01:22:32 AM 176 Views
Yeah, I know, I just think that the statistics are dangerous. Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 04:36:40 AM 160 Views
Respectfully, do you truly believe this? TyrReborn - 09/08/2023 05:42:31 PM 165 Views
I'll bite... Legolas - 09/08/2023 06:39:46 PM 152 Views
Thanks. <3 *NM* Ghavrel - 09/08/2023 08:27:13 PM 81 Views
Your thoughts AgentApple - 11/08/2023 04:14:37 PM 145 Views
Yes, that's true. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:11:49 PM 157 Views
Re: Yes, that's true. AgentApple - 12/08/2023 04:25:28 PM 141 Views
The issue itself isn't necessarily - the way it's being used, however, is. Legolas - 14/08/2023 05:44:35 PM 143 Views
This is not bait, I am legitimately trying to understand. And if I understand correctly... TyrReborn - 11/08/2023 05:17:02 PM 152 Views
As I said, it wasn't intended as perfect analogy - it's about how much say should children have. Legolas - 11/08/2023 06:44:33 PM 160 Views
No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:43:37 PM 144 Views
There aren't a lot of people committing suicide over their teeth coming in. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:21:29 PM 153 Views
Indeed. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:50:53 PM 143 Views
You aren't mentally ill because of your views. You're just an asshole. Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 11:35:13 PM 156 Views
Re: No, seriously, only the last one was intended as parody. And I'd like an explanation. Legolas - 15/08/2023 04:14:57 PM 164 Views
See, you're willing to discuss, instead of insult. Others on this board might take note. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:18:39 PM 151 Views
Yeah, well, I have the luxury of an outsider's position... Legolas - 23/08/2023 11:47:24 PM 158 Views
Nobody is an outsider when reality is being attacked. TyrReborn - 25/08/2023 05:40:43 PM 144 Views
Fun facts Vodalus - 26/08/2023 06:22:57 AM 176 Views
There's some evidence that hormonal changes in utero are related to transgenderism. *NM* Ghavrel - 26/08/2023 11:26:21 PM 82 Views
Naturally occurring or iatrogenic? *NM* Vodalus - 26/08/2023 11:37:06 PM 91 Views
The studies are about naturally occuring variance, but that doesn't rule out other causes. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:03:16 AM 79 Views
Not really "fun" so much as "a sad reality of biology", but yes. TyrReborn - 27/08/2023 09:42:14 PM 155 Views
Imagine if you had the same attitude towards trans people. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 12:02:34 AM 135 Views
I may be no endocrinologist, but I at least understand simple biology. XY =/= XX =/= XXY TyrReborn - 28/08/2023 05:40:14 PM 136 Views
One can be an adult trans person and not support mutilation of children. *NM* damookster - 28/08/2023 07:49:32 PM 76 Views
Fair enough. I have some measure of respect for "Caitlyn" Jenner. You do you homie. *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:54:13 AM 82 Views
Simple is definitely true. Shame you never learned biology past what you were taught in high school. Ghavrel - 28/08/2023 11:21:38 PM 152 Views
Right, cause we're "butterflies" TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 04:57:20 AM 143 Views
I go to mass more than you. *NM* Ghavrel - 29/08/2023 09:58:09 AM 84 Views
Wow, really? And you still mutilated your body and told God that He was wrong about you? TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:44:32 PM 146 Views
I must say, The Shrike - 31/08/2023 07:04:47 PM 139 Views
Love is being true. Love is being honest. Love is God. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:52:59 PM 133 Views
I appreciate that a great deal. Thank you. I think very highly of you, too. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:44:58 AM 83 Views
Really went off the deep end there huh... Legolas - 31/08/2023 10:39:02 PM 132 Views
At least my beliefs can't be disproven by a $40 test at Wal-Mart. TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:40:43 PM 125 Views
It's ok. Many of us are quite sad for you too. The Shrike - 29/08/2023 11:10:32 AM 136 Views
I couldn't care less what unbelievers think. You'll meet the Truth, one day. TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 05:45:31 PM 132 Views
No such thing as damnation, but thanks. The Shrike - 31/08/2023 06:55:23 PM 134 Views
Then nothing more needs to be said. See who support your lies, Ghav? They literally deny Love. *NM* TyrReborn - 31/08/2023 07:54:23 PM 73 Views
He understands love a lot better than you do. *NM* Ghavrel - 01/09/2023 04:46:14 AM 68 Views
Hah! I knew you didn't worship God. Thanks for admitting it. *NM* TyrReborn - 02/09/2023 03:38:43 PM 78 Views
You're simply acting deranged at this point. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 01:13:20 AM 156 Views
I hope you don't call yourselves Christian. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:11:06 AM 131 Views
Of course I'm Christian. I confess the faith of the apostles and of the councils. Ghavrel - 03/09/2023 11:41:56 AM 129 Views
Would you castrate Michelangelo's David? TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:03:07 PM 119 Views
Dude, you have really driven this off the deep end. damookster - 03/09/2023 04:03:16 PM 130 Views
It is not, and I am not. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:06:48 PM 145 Views
You absolutely are damookster - 03/09/2023 09:27:00 PM 142 Views
Caution is not condemnation. Warning is not judgment. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:05:17 PM 129 Views
Bro, I'm not worried about your immortal soul. damookster - 03/09/2023 11:35:41 PM 145 Views
I get that. But Ghav, supposedly, is. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:09:55 AM 137 Views
You’ve expressed some pretty odious and ugly sentiments. Vodalus - 03/09/2023 10:07:51 PM 144 Views
Yeah, I'm definitely an outsider, and so are you. Legolas - 28/08/2023 07:49:48 PM 128 Views
Ok. TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:09:14 AM 131 Views
Schizophrenics suffer violent crime at 14x rate. Is America "schizophobic"? TyrReborn - 01/09/2023 05:01:18 PM 133 Views
I'll chew... entyti - 11/08/2023 10:35:45 PM 163 Views
What's your stance on parents who refuse medical treatment for their children with cancer? Ghavrel - 11/08/2023 11:12:21 PM 162 Views
I think... entyti - 11/08/2023 11:37:52 PM 154 Views
Really? damookster - 12/08/2023 12:02:12 AM 149 Views
Am I being unreasonable? entyti - 12/08/2023 05:16:06 AM 160 Views
Maybe not damookster - 12/08/2023 03:38:50 PM 171 Views
Most of us don't really like "the gays," either. And referring to people as "blacks" is offensive. *NM* Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:34:32 AM 77 Views
... is referring to people as "whites" offensive? I really, really hope you say yes. *NM* TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 05:46:07 PM 121 Views
Unfortunately for whites, gays, blacks, and transgenders... entyti - 14/08/2023 06:09:47 PM 130 Views
Their voice only counts *NM* damookster - 14/08/2023 06:20:32 PM 73 Views
Touché *NM* entyti - 14/08/2023 07:12:54 PM 75 Views
You can always choose not to be a dick online. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/08/2023 08:19:52 PM 71 Views
Now why would I want to do that? entyti - 14/08/2023 11:24:09 PM 128 Views
You're not a dick. You're honest. TyrReborn - 14/08/2023 09:54:34 PM 149 Views
Why not both? entyti - 15/08/2023 03:01:58 AM 138 Views
Sad, but true. TyrReborn - 17/08/2023 05:22:11 PM 134 Views
Re: I think... Ghavrel - 13/08/2023 12:35:05 AM 167 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 12/08/2023 03:49:47 PM 175 Views
Re: I'll chew... entyti - 14/08/2023 10:56:15 PM 135 Views
Re: I'll chew... Legolas - 15/08/2023 11:32:12 PM 148 Views
3 weeks later, did you have fun with this thread Tyr? *NM* Roland00 - 28/08/2023 08:16:13 PM 72 Views
We went a bit afield, sure, but hey, the board has a discussion going, doesn't it? *NM* TyrReborn - 29/08/2023 05:00:03 AM 65 Views
Well take care Roland00 - 31/08/2023 11:06:43 PM 156 Views
Same to you. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 04:20:19 AM 128 Views
Seeing things as beautiful or rotting Roland00 - 03/09/2023 05:21:50 PM 145 Views
I could not disagree more. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 09:13:31 PM 153 Views
See this is about you Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:22:53 PM 155 Views
No, it's about God. TyrReborn - 03/09/2023 11:28:55 PM 135 Views
How much history do you know about Samaritans? Roland00 - 03/09/2023 11:39:54 PM 132 Views
Friend, you can cut the shit. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 12:19:56 AM 132 Views
I was going to talk about Mount Gerizim you nitwit Roland00 - 04/09/2023 01:36:16 AM 138 Views
Oh, my apologies then. TyrReborn - 04/09/2023 07:46:57 PM 145 Views
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